Catching up on the threads there, I just want to give a shout-out of thanks to Larry for representing Drupal in excellent style. In particular, the summary of events here: http://news.php.net/php.standards/66 Felt like the best of Drupal: lighthearted and kind of humorous, but open and honestly looking to help. I've found it really interesting reading through the responses on the list, and I think it speaks very well for the capacity of an active open-source community (like us!) to develop social/cultural capital among its members. Learning to tolerate disagreement and create consensus is no small thing, and it makes us vastly more capable as individuals and as a community. Anyway, I'm a huge fan of standards and patterns also, and hopefully given the way this initial effort played out, there will be a more mature and democratic conversation which can really foster more cross-project harmony. cheers -josh On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Larry Garfield<larry@garfieldtech.com> wrote:

There's an interesting development in the PHP world that may be of interest to folks here:

http://www.leftontheweb.com/message/The_PHP_standards_initiative http://www.travisswicegood.com/index.php/2009/06/02/my-goals-for-the-php- standards-group http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/96-PHP-standards-discussion-group-opens- to-the-world.html

The mailing list in question is archived here: http://news.php.net/php.standards/

The initial "standard" is here: http://news.php.net/php.standards/2

I've already replied from a Drupal perspective here: http://news.php.net/php.standards/40

As a supporter of inter-project cooperation and the use of industry standard approaches, I figured it was relevant. :-)  Just want to make sure everyone is kept in the loop.

-- Larry Garfield larry@garfieldtech.com

-- -------------------- Josh Koenig, Partner & CTO http://www.chapterthree.com