RE: [drupal-devel] CivicSpace Labs launches new beta site
There is text to speech software setups that allow blind people to use IE as their browser. My cousin and her husband (both blind) use such a setup. The turn off images in browsers. -sp
-----Original Message----- From: drupal-devel-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:drupal-devel-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of Chris Messina Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:04 PM To: drupal-devel@drupal.org Subject: Re: [drupal-devel] CivicSpace Labs launches new beta site
The other thing you mentioned about turning off images is something I hadn't really considered. It's a problem for text replacement, for sure, but I wonder how many people browse with images turned off. I certainly know it happens -- I just wonder whether it's worth investing much time in.
Chris
You should be okay for screen readers Chris. The text is still there and the screen reader will read it, but it just won't show up on the screen of a person browsing with images turned off - since its styled to be -9999em off to the left (i.e. off the screen). andre Steven Peck wrote:
There is text to speech software setups that allow blind people to use IE as their browser. My cousin and her husband (both blind) use such a setup. The turn off images in browsers.
-sp
-----Original Message----- From: drupal-devel-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:drupal-devel-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of Chris Messina Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:04 PM To: drupal-devel@drupal.org Subject: Re: [drupal-devel] CivicSpace Labs launches new beta site
The other thing you mentioned about turning off images is something I hadn't really considered. It's a problem for text replacement, for sure, but I wonder how many people browse with images turned off. I certainly know it happens -- I just wonder whether it's worth investing much time in.
Chris
On Sunday 13 March 2005 10:09, Steven Peck wrote:
The other thing you mentioned about turning off images is something I hadn't really considered. It's a problem for text replacement, for sure, but I wonder how many people browse with images turned off. I certainly know it happens -- I just wonder whether it's worth investing much time in.
Well, as you seem to be accenting improving usability, I think having an accessible site would probably be worth investing some extra time in. Specially as Civicspace is likely to be used for projects receiving government subsidies or grants in the US, and thus will need to be 508 complient. Also, using an image with alt attribute inside a link with title attribute would probably be more straight-forward than using the current text-replacement thingy... Richard.
Thanks again for your followup. Responses below: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:28:04 +0100, Richard Bennett <richard.b@gritechnologies.com> wrote:
Well, as you seem to be accenting improving usability, I think having an accessible site would probably be worth investing some extra time in.
Accessibility and usability are not the same thing, but are both incredibly important goals for me. Many of the techniques used in the redesign were to enchance the accessibility of our site and so the issue that your previously cited is a probably non-issue, as it was pointed out, since the text is there even if for sighted people nothing shows up.
Also, using an image with alt attribute inside a link with title attribute would probably be more straight-forward than using the current text-replacement thingy...
Something worth considering. I try to use images as absolutely sparingly as possible and the reason why I didn't just images with alt tags in this case was to avoid the need for three separate images on the homepage. The alternative, I suppose, would have been to use one image with an imagemap, but that didn't really seem like a good idea either, since I plan on swapping out that image at some point. Ultimately, I'm sure that there are a number of other things I can do to make the site more accessible, so I appreciate your feedback. What I would love is feedback from folks who do use accessibility devices to browser websites... what is the experience really like? I'm using a Firefox extension called Fangs to help guide my development, but there's no substition for real people's feedback. Chris
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