How is it that new Drupal user is given CVS access to ban countries
Regarding the _rigorous_ CVS rights granting process, how is it that new user http://drupal.org/user/701600 is rushed through that process, and allowed to infect the Drupal codespace with a module banning countries from using a Drupal site??? The offending module: http://drupal.org/project/countryban goes against all democratic sentiment and should be taken down immediately, and this individual, who wishes to do the work of those who would restrict internet access based on origin of country, should have his CVS rights taken from him immediately. Victor Kane http://awebfactory.com.ar http://projectflowandtracker.com
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Regarding the _rigorous_ CVS rights granting process, how is it that new user http://drupal.org/user/701600 is rushed through that process, and allowed to infect the Drupal codespace with a module banning countries from using a Drupal site???
The offending module: http://drupal.org/project/countryban goes against all democratic sentiment and should be taken down immediately, and this individual, who wishes to do the work of those who would restrict internet access based on origin of country, should have his CVS rights taken from him immediately.
I see no reason to do so. Cheers, Gerhard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkuWIn0ACgkQfg6TFvELooQEKgCfZKvuQc8U09xwdvfZns+thUcD XhwAn1tu39W0dJZVqlimXgvndc3Xpp23 =DXhu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Isn't this type of functionality that the likes of hulu.com would need? Myself living in a country I'm saddened by the fact that such restrictions exist at hulu.com and elsewhere. But I accept some laws / business decisions require its limitations. Is hulu.com evil and should be taken to court? Or is it a valid business model? Gábor On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Victor Kane <victorkane@gmail.com> wrote:
Regarding the _rigorous_ CVS rights granting process, how is it that new user http://drupal.org/user/701600 is rushed through that process, and allowed to infect the Drupal codespace with a module banning countries from using a Drupal site??? The offending module: http://drupal.org/project/countryban goes against all democratic sentiment and should be taken down immediately, and this individual, who wishes to do the work of those who would restrict internet access based on origin of country, should have his CVS rights taken from him immediately. Victor Kane http://awebfactory.com.ar http://projectflowandtracker.com
Hi, On 09/03/2010, at 9:06 PM, Victor Kane wrote:
Regarding the _rigorous_ CVS rights granting process, how is it that new user http://drupal.org/user/701600 is rushed through that process, and allowed to infect the Drupal codespace with a module banning countries from using a Drupal site???
The offending module: http://drupal.org/project/countryban goes against all democratic sentiment and should be taken down immediately, and this individual, who wishes to do the work of those who would restrict internet access based on origin of country, should have his CVS rights taken from him immediately.
I see no problem with this module. I have had clients which have needed functionality like this, nothing to do with democracy, or any political agenda. It was basically to only allow people from there sales areas to access the site. Gordon.
The offending module: http://drupal.org/project/countryban goes against all democratic sentiment and should be taken down immediately, and this individual, who wishes to do the work of those who would restrict internet access based on origin of country, should have his CVS rights taken from him immediately.
Please. This list is about developing Drupal, not about politics. I mention this because this is not the first time you have posted your political feelings on this list about various subjects. Whether I agree is disagree with them is irrelevant--this is not the place to discuss such. F
Sometimes restricting access based on a user's country is the law. For example: http://sourceforge.net/blog/clarifying-sourceforgenets-denial-of-site-access... - Ken Winters On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:06 AM, Victor Kane wrote:
Regarding the _rigorous_ CVS rights granting process, how is it that new user http://drupal.org/user/701600 is rushed through that process, and allowed to infect the Drupal codespace with a module banning countries from using a Drupal site???
The offending module: http://drupal.org/project/countryban goes against all democratic sentiment and should be taken down immediately, and this individual, who wishes to do the work of those who would restrict internet access based on origin of country, should have his CVS rights taken from him immediately.
Victor Kane http://awebfactory.com.ar http://projectflowandtracker.com
And another example of where that functionality is useful -- my brother helps run a small shoe company where currently is cost prohibitive to sell outside of United States. There are many companies / products that for legal / economic reasons can't / won't sell outside of their home country. --Kyle Mathews kyle.mathews2000.com/blog http://twitter.com/kylemathews On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Ken Winters <kwinters@coalmarch.com> wrote:
Sometimes restricting access based on a user's country is the law. For example: http://sourceforge.net/blog/clarifying-sourceforgenets-denial-of-site-access...
- Ken Winters
On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:06 AM, Victor Kane wrote:
Regarding the _rigorous_ CVS rights granting process, how is it that new user http://drupal.org/user/701600 is rushed through that process, and allowed to infect the Drupal codespace with a module banning countries from using a Drupal site???
The offending module: http://drupal.org/project/countryban goes against all democratic sentiment and should be taken down immediately, and this individual, who wishes to do the work of those who would restrict internet access based on origin of country, should have his CVS rights taken from him immediately.
Victor Kane http://awebfactory.com.ar http://projectflowandtracker.com
Hi Brian, I feel all Open Source projects should adhere to Free Software Foundation principles involving the free movement of information. Perhaps the use of the word "ban" in the module name gits me in the gut. I use the organic groups module to manage access among different groups in website applications I develop. There is nothing wrong with the restriction of access per se in a business application for business purposes. But a module which cheerleads for the U.S. State Department is quite another thing. The sourceforge ban on certain countries is a slap in the face to the free movement of information. This is unacceptable from a Free Software Foundation open flow of information perspective. We need to oppose that, without allowing business as usual to take place. There is politics in all these decisions, if I am in the minority, I only ask for the right to state my position and to answer your questions, Brian. It is completely on topic with this mailing list, since it involves the rush granting of CVS privileges to a new member of the community, as opposed to stumbling blocks placed in the path of several Argentine colleagues who have attempted to contribute. Victor Kane http://awebfactory.com.ar http://projectflowandtracker.com On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Brian Vuyk <brian@brianvuyk.com> wrote:
Victor,
Can you explain, as far as you are able, why this module would be a bad thing? How does this offend you?
I can infer, from your 'allowed to infect the Drupal codespace' comment, and demand that it be taken down that you feel that all Drupal sites should be available to all people. It seems that you yourself want to restrict who uses it, and how. That seems to go against democratic sentiment as well.
Brian
Victor Kane wrote:
Regarding the _rigorous_ CVS rights granting process, how is it that new user http://drupal.org/user/701600 is rushed through that process, and allowed to infect the Drupal codespace with a module banning countries from using a Drupal site???
The offending module: http://drupal.org/project/countryban goes against all democratic sentiment and should be taken down immediately, and this individual, who wishes to do the work of those who would restrict internet access based on origin of country, should have his CVS rights taken from him immediately.
Victor Kane http://awebfactory.com.ar http://projectflowandtracker.com
Maybe it's just me but the issue queue for this gentelmans cvs access did not seem to me to be rushed or and the user did not seem to be given special approval of any sort. In fact if the OP had done any research he would have been able to see that the CVS application took over a month, went through numerous reviews and code fixes and resulted in a user being given CVS access to upload a module with new functionality that had been vetted, fixed and was RTBC. Come to think of thank you Victor for giving the list a glowing example of what the CVS application process should look like. http://drupal.org/node/693196 Now next time someone complains about not getting CVS access we can point them to this example of what it takes. Not just throwing up a request with some unfinished code and some hopes of being able to contribute to the Drupal Community. Bravo! ----- ***NEW CELL PHONE # Please Update(See Below)*** Adam A. Gregory Drupal Developer & Consultant Web: AdamAGregory.com Twitter: twitter.com/adamgregory Phone: 910.808.1717 Cell: 919.306.6138 On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Victor Kane <victorkane@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Brian,
I feel all Open Source projects should adhere to Free Software Foundation principles involving the free movement of information.
Perhaps the use of the word "ban" in the module name gits me in the gut.
I use the organic groups module to manage access among different groups in website applications I develop. There is nothing wrong with the restriction of access per se in a business application for business purposes. But a module which cheerleads for the U.S. State Department is quite another thing.
The sourceforge ban on certain countries is a slap in the face to the free movement of information. This is unacceptable from a Free Software Foundation open flow of information perspective.
We need to oppose that, without allowing business as usual to take place.
There is politics in all these decisions, if I am in the minority, I only ask for the right to state my position and to answer your questions, Brian.
It is completely on topic with this mailing list, since it involves the rush granting of CVS privileges to a new member of the community, as opposed to stumbling blocks placed in the path of several Argentine colleagues who have attempted to contribute.
Victor Kane http://awebfactory.com.ar http://projectflowandtracker.com
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Brian Vuyk <brian@brianvuyk.com> wrote:
Victor,
Can you explain, as far as you are able, why this module would be a bad thing? How does this offend you?
I can infer, from your 'allowed to infect the Drupal codespace' comment, and demand that it be taken down that you feel that all Drupal sites should be available to all people. It seems that you yourself want to restrict who uses it, and how. That seems to go against democratic sentiment as well.
Brian
Victor Kane wrote:
Regarding the _rigorous_ CVS rights granting process, how is it that new user http://drupal.org/user/701600 is rushed through that process, and allowed to infect the Drupal codespace with a module banning countries from using a Drupal site???
The offending module: http://drupal.org/project/countryban goes against all democratic sentiment and should be taken down immediately, and this individual, who wishes to do the work of those who would restrict internet access based on origin of country, should have his CVS rights taken from him immediately.
Victor Kane http://awebfactory.com.ar http://projectflowandtracker.com
Victor Kane wrote:
Hi Brian,
I feel all Open Source projects should adhere to Free Software Foundation principles involving the free movement of information.
How is the module limited from being used by anyone just because the name contains the word ban? The GPL gives any user the right to download, use and modify the source to their liking.
Perhaps the use of the word "ban" in the module name gits me in the gut.
I don't see how the name of the module fits your complaint. You are complaining that Open Source might be banned and that isn't the purpose of the module which is to limit who can access information but that can happen now with core Drupal and the access rules. -- Earnie -- http://www.for-my-kids.com
On Mar 9, 2010, at Tue 3/9/10 7:46am, Victor Kane wrote:
I feel all Open Source projects should adhere to Free Software Foundation principles involving the free movement of information.
To me, the overriding principle is free movement of code. Laura
Well, Richard Stallman was here in Buenos Aires recently and I went to his talk. He is talking about free movement of info, as in, people being able to share books, etc. We can arbitrarily reduce that to code if we wish, but then, we can arbitrarily do anything. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Laura <pinglaura@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 9, 2010, at Tue 3/9/10 7:46am, Victor Kane wrote:
I feel all Open Source projects should adhere to Free Software Foundation principles involving the free movement of information.
To me, the overriding principle is free movement of code.
Laura
Victor, Using this interpretation of Free Software principles, should we remove the All Rights Reserved option from the Creative Commons module? Surely that code is also restricting the free movement of information. What about the Troll module which blocks users that disrupt a community? While I like to see information move as freely as possible, I don't think you'll find much support to remove modules that limit access... especially modules that limit access in one way to make it available in another. If we remove All Rights Reserved from CC, many sites won't use the module. As a result, less content is licensed as Share and Share Alike. Who is going to argue that Drupal needs to protect the rights of trolls to access information? Banning users based on their country or limiting access to all but one country may be the most effective way to facilitate communication for that community. I can't imagine that you are arguing that there should be no private content at all... that everything should be free. How does limiting how code restricts access to information adhere to Free Software principles? --- Kevin Reynen - Senior Developer Open Media Foundation - Putting the power of the media and technology in the hands of the people. www.openmediafoundation.org On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Victor Kane <victorkane@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, Richard Stallman was here in Buenos Aires recently and I went to his talk. He is talking about free movement of info, as in, people being able to share books, etc. We can arbitrarily reduce that to code if we wish, but then, we can arbitrarily do anything.
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Laura <pinglaura@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 9, 2010, at Tue 3/9/10 7:46am, Victor Kane wrote:
I feel all Open Source projects should adhere to Free Software Foundation principles involving the free movement of information.
To me, the overriding principle is free movement of code.
Laura
You know it's really not Drupal, The Drupal Association, or any one related to Drupal in an official capacities, job to tell, limit, or try and manage what Drupal sites are used for. Complaining and whinning about the fact that some user created a module that will ban a whole range of IP's based of country has nothing to do with Drupal, Drupal Development or the Free Software Foundation. I think we can all appreciate you and understand your political/social stance on what free means, but this has absolutely nothing to do with Drupal development. To top it off it is completely hypocritical to say that an open source project should limit peoples use of their project. It would then by doing that no longer be meeting your definition of free flow of information since it would be limiting the free flow. Let's please move on people. ----- ***NEW CELL PHONE # Please Update(See Below)*** Adam A. Gregory Drupal Developer & Consultant Web: AdamAGregory.com Twitter: twitter.com/adamgregory Phone: 910.808.1717 Cell: 919.306.6138 On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Victor Kane <victorkane@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, Richard Stallman was here in Buenos Aires recently and I went to his talk.
He is talking about free movement of info, as in, people being able to share books, etc.
We can arbitrarily reduce that to code if we wish, but then, we can arbitrarily do anything.
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Laura <pinglaura@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 9, 2010, at Tue 3/9/10 7:46am, Victor Kane wrote:
I feel all Open Source projects should adhere to Free Software Foundation principles involving the free movement of information.
To me, the overriding principle is free movement of code.
Laura
The Register Country module does pretty much the same thing and has been around for quite a while. It restricts users from registering for the site by their IP addresses so that only certain people in certain countries can register. It is only to limit people (by marketing area) not to ban specific countries. Nancy E. Wichmann, PMP Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. -- Dr. Martin L. King, Jr. ________________________________ From: Victor Kane <victorkane@gmail.com> To: development@drupal.org Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 9:46:38 AM Subject: Re: [development] How is it that new Drupal user is given CVS access to ban countries I feel all Open Source projects should adhere to Free Software Foundation principles involving the free movement of information. Perhaps the use of the word "ban" in the module name gits me in the gut.
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