Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/4942 Post a follow up: http://drupal.org/project/comments/add/4942 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: user.module Category: feature requests Priority: normal Assigned to: amanuel Reported by: mathias Updated by: moshe weitzman Status: patch (code needs review) Robert - your proposed preferences for user registration look great to me. I encourage you and others to pursue this direction. moshe weitzman Previous comments: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:49:54 +0000 : mathias Under special circumstances, i would like a new user to be able to choose their own password and be automatically logged into the site without needing to check their email. I feel this is necessary for my ecommerce module, where after anonymous users are ready to "Proceed to checkout", they need to create an user account to continue. It is tedious for the customer if they have to stop, check their email, log into the site and then resume the checkout process. I'm game to code this (if this has potential to be part of the core), i just need some feedback on the best way to tweak user_register. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 04 Jan 2004 06:18:07 +0000 : moshe weitzman +1 for this. I don't think you will get much objection to this much needed usability enhancement. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 08 Jan 2004 05:48:40 +0000 : mathias Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/user.module-quick_acount.patch (7.11 KB) This is a prototype patch to make sure i'm going in the right direction. I feel this patch is about 95% complete, the outstanding issue being page redirection after quick-account creation. It introduces and new option under the user admin settings "Public registrations" called "Visitors can create accounts and sign in immediately.", allowing visitors to submit their own passwords upon account creation. This is important in an ecommerce site where a new customer wants to the checkout process to be as easy and seamless as possible. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 08 Jan 2004 10:22:09 +0000 : moshe weitzman i read through the patch. looks good to me. a few notes - we should still send a password via email to users who choose their ow password. with some text tweaking, we should be able to send the same welcome email to 'generated password' registratants, and 'user specified password' registrants. - I think we need a setting for minimum length of a password. the password textfield should inform users of this requirement. - you don't actually relinquish control after saying "/* Let the developer control where the user is redirected. */". i assume this part isn't finished yet. nice work. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:46:07 +0000 : flevour Are there any anti-bot checks around, e.g. randomly generated images that contain text or numbers to insert in a box? Congrats for your work :p // flevour ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:54:19 +0000 : Bèr Kessels I had another idea. that would be to filter all emailadresses (in content too) into a link to the feedback module. thus http://www.mysite.org/feedback/mailto/me/mysite.org the feedback can then print a form that can send the message to me@mysite.org. Would this be a good feature or not? Ber ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:56:36 +0000 : Bèr Kessels sorry folks. placed this in the wrong box. Was updating another feature, and reading this one (to see if it was the same one) i then, by accident, filled replyed here. :( Ber ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 08 Jan 2004 16:49:56 +0000 : Dries Showing an image with random generated text that a user is supposed to copy, makes your website inaccessible for visually impaired: they can't be read by a screen reader. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:07:02 +0000 : mathias Responding to Moshe's comments: - we should still send a password via email to users who choose their own password. with some text tweaking, we should be able to send the same welcome email to 'generated password' registratants, and 'user specified password' registrants. That is a good point. I'll update the patch. - I think we need a setting for minimum length of a password. the password textfield should inform users of this requirement. Agreed. In my patch i checked to make sure the password was at least six characters long, but this should be an element that can be tweaked by the admin. It might be best to make this a global password length system variable. - you don't actually relinquish control after saying "/* Let the developer control where the user is redirected. */". i assume this part isn't finished yet. Yep, that's the part i'm still working on. Thanks for the critical eyes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:31:06 +0000 : mathias Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/user_0.module-quick_acount.patch (7.95 KB) The patch has been updated and is ready for final review, and commit. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:37:53 +0000 : Dries Not sure. Wouldn't it make more sense (and result in better/less code) to let the user *always* choose his password and to introduce a admin setting to control whether e-mail addresses should be validated by e-mail? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:02:38 +0000 : moshe weitzman moving out of patch queue until a cleaner implementation is submitted ... this feature is still quite valuable. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:21:49 +0000 : Nick Nassar I agree with Dries that it makes a lot of sense to always let the user choose her password. It's a pain to copy and paste in a randomly generated password, then change it. Hash link based verification is much easier. That's really a seperate issue from an option to disable verification. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:11:42 +0000 : amanuel Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/user4.6.2.patch (4.25 KB) Following Dries's suggestion, I have implemented a "Enable Email Verification" option to user.module. The attached patch does the job. With this patch the system by default will ask for a password. If Email Verification is turned on in the settings, the system will send the password via email. $edit['destination'] is carried so as to allow the user to return where they were (shopping cart etc.) Any comments? Amanuel ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sat, 23 Jul 2005 05:48:08 +0000 : mathias I want users to be able to enter their own passwords upon account creation, but this patch still needs some work. - The email verification checkbox in user admin settings is confusing. I'm assuming that it applies to any of the selected registration options? However when I select that only site admins can create new user accounts, the accounts I create don't get any emails sent for the user to verify. - When a user signs up and enters his/her own password I think they should be logged in automatically rather than taken to a screen asking them to click the login button. - User entered passwords aren't validated. We should check to make sure they're at least six characters and verify the password strength level to some degree (i.e. same characters, all lowercase letters.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 05:09:30 +0000 : Steven I agree with Dries. Random-generated passwords are hard to use. We already have optional hash-link functionality on signup, so I think we should always use it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 07 Aug 2005 17:02:45 +0000 : killes@www.drop.org I actually disagree with Dries and Steven. I let firefox maintain all my passwords and couldn't care less what my actual pw for any Drupal based website is. If we let the user provide a password then I at least woudl want to havd Drupal suggest one for me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 19 Sep 2005 00:35:55 +0000 : Uwe Hermann I agree with killes here. Asking the user to choose a password usually results in _very_ insecure passwords. Give them random passwords per default in order to keep most of the accounts secure. If a user then changes the password to his pet's name, that's his problem... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 19 Sep 2005 05:51:15 +0000 : robertDouglass I'd just like to mention that I recently needed a slightly different modification to the user creation workflow. The site was of the nature where all of the content was behind a splash screen that required registration before the visitors could get to it. My client needed his users to be taken to the content area immediately upon filling out the registration form and not have to wait for the mail and use their password etc to log in. I bring this up because there are probably 3-4 more workflows for account creation that we could support, if we wanted to, the current password creation issue being one of them. I would be supportive of adding more configuration options because I see that many sites have different needs. Options to add would include: 1) Should the user receive a generated password or should they get to choose their own? 2) If the user gets a generated password, it will be mailed; should they have to wait to log on, or should registering intitiate their session? 3) If the user chooses his or her own password, there is no way to confirm that they own the email address they entered. Should they be sent a 1-time URL confirmation mail and be required to click the link in order to confirm their mail? I would be very supportive of letting users create their own password if they were sent a 1-time URL to confirm their mail. How much interest is there for adding all of these options? -Robert ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 19 Sep 2005 06:35:20 +0000 : Crell The password should always be emailed to the user. They will forget their information otherwise. :-) I too would like to have the option of email-less account creation. I just finished part 1 of a project for a client where we're using Drupal more as an app framework for an intranet app than as a CMS. Avoiding the "now check your email" step was a mandatory requirement of the system, so I ended up hacking user.module to give all users the same auto-generated login button that the first user gets. For an intranet application (or pseudo-intranet in this case, silly as it is), that's acceptable. For a public site, that is begging for spambots. Even with CAPTCHAs or similar verification techniques, it opens the site up to spam. However, if a site doesn't have user-generated content but does have a need for registration (ecommerce, for instance), skipping that email step is also very important. An email should still be sent, as I said, but you're going to lose your customers if they have to go to their email twice (once to create an account, once to get their receipt). Perhaps an admin option to allow users to log in immediately upon account creation, defaulting to no, with a big message pointing out to the admin that it's a potential security hole if the "registered users" role has any content-creation capability at all. That would be an entirely different question from letting users enter their own password. Given how easy it is to get a new password in Drupal already, I'd say we should still just auto-generate in all cases. They can change it if they want. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:18:56 +0000 : Kobus I believe that a one-time url is a good solution, and that it is a MUST add if you add the "own password" option. If you generate the password, just add the "log in" button and redirect to the page the user requested/requires. Mozilla 1.7 has a password security meter built in. If you allow users to generate their own password, couldn't something like this be implemented with AJAX (which, of course, is unavailable if degraded?) Regards, Kobus