Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina
Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
vocabulary -> category group
Two words would be confusing, especially if category is used for term.
How about just "category" here.
term -> category or tag
We can keep it as a term. The issue is the "vocab", not so much "term". Tag is more specific to free tagging, and may be overloading the term.
<sigh> The problem is that everyone intuitively knows what a category is. If you have a term "dog" and you tag a post with "dog", then that post goes in to the category "dog". That's the common sense non-technical meaning of "category". You can even stretch that to include terms like "Gamer's Forum" -- a post in the Gamer's Forum goes into the category "Gamer's Forum". That's what classification is all about, putting things into categories. Using "category" for anything else but for terms will just not work for normal people without re-educating them about what that common word means. IOW, it will not work. Now, what's that thing in between -- the "animals" and the "forums" -- in plain English? Go ask the man in the street: If you have categories like "dog", "bird", and "elephant", then what would you call that group of categories? Answer: "animals" Oops, answered my own question, the real one... Hans
On Nov 14, 2007 7:05 PM, Hans Salvisberg <drupal@salvisberg.com> wrote:
The problem is that everyone intuitively knows what a category is.
If you have a term "dog" and you tag a post with "dog", then that post goes in to the category "dog". That's the common sense non-technical meaning of "category". You can even stretch that to include terms like "Gamer's Forum" -- a post in the Gamer's Forum goes into the category "Gamer's Forum". That's what classification is all about, putting things into categories.
Using "category" for anything else but for terms will just not work for normal people without re-educating them about what that common word means. IOW, it will not work.
Now, what's that thing in between -- the "animals" and the "forums" -- in plain English? Go ask the man in the street: If you have categories like "dog", "bird", and "elephant", then what would you call that group of categories? Answer: "animals"
They may know it intuitively, but at just what level does it apply? Why would "dog" be the category? To me, the category (the container) is "animals" -- and "dog" and "bird" are things, or instances of things which go into the category "animals". English is flexible that way -- we are actually both right. And thus, we don't know what any particular user is going to think when they see the word "categories". Are they going to think animals, plants and minerals? Or dogs, birds and elephants?
Quoting Chris Johnson <cxjohnson@gmail.com>:
Why would "dog" be the category? To me, the category (the container) is "animals" -- and "dog" and "bird" are things, or instances of things which go into the category "animals".
While dog is an animal a collie is a dog. While bird is an animal a cardinal is a bird. Earnie -- http://for-my-kids.com/ -- http://give-me-an-offer.com/
Earnie Boyd wrote:
Quoting Chris Johnson <cxjohnson@gmail.com>:
Why would "dog" be the category? To me, the category (the container) is "animals" -- and "dog" and "bird" are things, or instances of things which go into the category "animals".
While dog is an animal a collie is a dog. While bird is an animal a cardinal is a bird.
Lassie is the object which is tagged 'collie' and through parenting also 'dog' and 'animal'.
Quoting Earl Miles <merlin@logrus.com>:
Earnie Boyd wrote:
Quoting Chris Johnson <cxjohnson@gmail.com>:
Why would "dog" be the category? To me, the category (the container) is "animals" -- and "dog" and "bird" are things, or instances of things which go into the category "animals".
While dog is an animal a collie is a dog. While bird is an animal a cardinal is a bird.
Lassie is the object which is tagged 'collie' and through parenting also 'dog' and 'animal'.
Yes. Earl and I have just pointed out that the vocabulary name itself is a parent term. I think a table structure redesign is in order but I'll discuss that in the appropriate group or issue. Earnie -- http://for-my-kids.com/ -- http://give-me-an-offer.com/
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