cvs and third party mods
My host has disabled smtp and my isp has disabled smtp. In drupal-4.7.3 there is no option to disabled email registration. Therefore, I installed the latest drupal cvs package because it have an option to disabled email... no require e-mail verification when a visitor creates an account The file I download is at this link... http://drupal.org/files/projects/drupal-cvs.tar.gz I problem now is that third party v4.7 modules are not installing correctly in the cvs package. Tinymce module has some broken links and the legal module does not work at all. I have only tried these two modules but it seems that no module will work with the cvs. Is there a way to get the 4.7 module to work?
On 8/22/06, Mr Gibson... (Earnest Hern) <hernagram@shaw.ca> wrote:
My host has disabled smtp and my isp has disabled smtp. In drupal-4.7.3 there is no option to disabled email registration. Therefore, I installed the latest drupal cvs package because it have an option to disabled email... no require e-mail verification when a visitor creates an account
The file I download is at this link... http://drupal.org/files/projects/drupal-cvs.tar.gz
I problem now is that third party v4.7 modules are not installing correctly in the cvs package. Tinymce module has some broken links and the legal module does not work at all. I have only tried these two modules but it seems that no module will work with the cvs. Is there a way to get the 4.7 module to work?
There's at least 3 solutions to your problem: 1) use the smtp.module and an smtp server on a different host so that you can still use 4.7 2) use the logintoboggan.module to have registration without smtp so that you are still on 4.7 but don't need smtp 3) edit the modules that you need so they will work with HEAD - instructions on doing so can be found here: http://drupal.org/update/modules Personally, I would choose either option 1 or 2, but option 3 is still a pretty good way to go so that you help those module maintainers get their code in shape for HEAD. Regards, Greg -- Greg Knaddison | Growing Venture Solutions Denver, CO | http://growingventuresolutions.com Technology Solutions for Communities, Individuals, and Small Businesses
Hi! Before people have logged in they see the text: access denied, is it possible to change that text? If so, how? Gina
Gina Rydland wrote:
Hi!
Before people have logged in they see the text: access denied, is it possible to change that text?
If so, how? First, it sounds like you have a role-based access control system in place, otherwise anonymous folks would not be seeing an access denied message. If not, you have a different issue.
The Front Page module was created exactly to do what you are asking. It can be easily set up to serve one page to anonymous visitors and another to logged in folks. --Sohodojo Jim-- -- Jim Salmons and Timlynn Babitsky Founders and Research Directors Sohodojo - http://sohodojo.com
http://drupal.org/node/62550 Gina Rydland wrote:
Hi!
Before people have logged in they see the text: access denied, is it possible to change that text?
If so, how?
Gina
which is more stable... the recent snapshot of drupal-cvs-4-7.tar.gz, or drupal-4.7.3.tar.gz
The cvs-4-7.tar.gz -- This tarball has some small bugfixes that, of themselves, are not sufficiently major to merit a new release (ie, 4.7.4) -- Cheers, Bill Mr Gibson... (Earnest Hern) wrote:
which is more stable... the recent snapshot of drupal-cvs-4-7.tar.gz, or drupal-4.7.3.tar.gz
I am using the latest snapshot drupal-cvs-4-7.tar.gz. I have noticed that drupal has a very bad selection of themes. Each one seems to have some display problem. Most of the themes found at the drupal theme link do not fully work in the laster browsers. The forum table is not sized correctly or the hover colours are not correct or the input boxed are out of alignment. The only themes to work 100% are the ones packed with drupal. The themes I am installing are for 4.7.0. not the cvs version. Where can I get a good selection of fully workable themes. Drupal may have lots of options but if i cant get some good themes, it will be hard to keep members. I have tryed the theme garden but at that place is the same themes as the drupal site.
On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:26, Mr Gibson... (Earnest Hern) wrote:
I am using the latest snapshot drupal-cvs-4-7.tar.gz.
I have noticed that drupal has a very bad selection of themes. Each one seems to have some display problem. Most of the themes found at the drupal theme link do not fully work in the laster browsers. The forum table is not sized correctly or the hover colours are not correct or the input boxed are out of alignment. The only themes to work 100% are the ones packed with drupal. The themes I am installing are for 4.7.0. not the cvs version. Where can I get a good selection of fully workable themes. Drupal may have lots of options but if i cant get some good themes, it will be hard to keep members. I have tryed the theme garden but at that place is the same themes as the drupal site.
Two things: 1) The themes projects are just as "unfiltered" as module projects. Some are great, some are good, some are broken steaming piles that haven't been updated in 2 years. There's no built-in policing method for that currently. So they're all "caveat downloador". 2) Are you using any contributed modules? There are so many possible ways to mix and match Drupal functionality that it's difficult if not impossible to make a theme that will cover all of them. Even core itself can be configured in dozens of ways. Not all themes support all features, and when you add in browser stupidity (IE breaks in a thousand ways, Safari breaks in a different 200 ways, Firefox breaks in its own 3-4 ways), generic theming is down right impossible. :-) I agree that the after-market themes available for Drupal right now are not that impressive, but hopefully you can see why. In practice, I think it's a good plan to build your own theme for your site, pulling in ideas and code from existing themes where possible. (Eg, I tend to use the bluemarine forum code as a starting point.) Beware bugs in browsers. I'm not sure if that's much help, but hopefully it's worth something. :-) -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
I have tested many themes within just the core and within the core with added mods. I tested about 25 themes and only one was ok. The others seem to have some kind of problem. I then read a message at drupal.org that the big problem was because of the themes themself. That there should be one theme with different style sheets instead.
From what you have said and the other messages that I have read, I have determined that I will not install any third party themes, but instead I will wait until drupal addresses this theme problem.
----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com> To: <support@drupal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [support] themes problem
On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:26, Mr Gibson... (Earnest Hern) wrote:
I am using the latest snapshot drupal-cvs-4-7.tar.gz.
I have noticed that drupal has a very bad selection of themes. Each one seems to have some display problem. Most of the themes found at the drupal theme link do not fully work in the laster browsers. The forum table is not sized correctly or the hover colours are not correct or the input boxed are out of alignment. The only themes to work 100% are the ones packed with drupal. The themes I am installing are for 4.7.0. not the cvs version. Where can I get a good selection of fully workable themes. Drupal may have lots of options but if i cant get some good themes, it will be hard to keep members. I have tryed the theme garden but at that place is the same themes as the drupal site.
Two things:
1) The themes projects are just as "unfiltered" as module projects. Some are great, some are good, some are broken steaming piles that haven't been updated in 2 years. There's no built-in policing method for that currently. So they're all "caveat downloador".
2) Are you using any contributed modules? There are so many possible ways to mix and match Drupal functionality that it's difficult if not impossible to make a theme that will cover all of them. Even core itself can be configured in dozens of ways. Not all themes support all features, and when you add in browser stupidity (IE breaks in a thousand ways, Safari breaks in a different 200 ways, Firefox breaks in its own 3-4 ways), generic theming is down right impossible. :-)
I agree that the after-market themes available for Drupal right now are not that impressive, but hopefully you can see why. In practice, I think it's a good plan to build your own theme for your site, pulling in ideas and code from existing themes where possible. (Eg, I tend to use the bluemarine forum code as a starting point.) Beware bugs in browsers.
I'm not sure if that's much help, but hopefully it's worth something. :-)
-- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012
"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]
Well, I don't know what Drupal itself can do to address the "problem". The issue is that theming is hard, and theming a plethora of different possible combinations of functionality is exponentially harder. That's more innate in web design than in Drupal itself. While steps have been taken in each new version to make theming easier (in the next version, for instance, the core CSS file has been broken up by module to make it easier to override), I don't think easy, universal themes are an achieveable goal. If you find problems with themes on drupal.org, please file bug reports against them (assuming they haven't already been filed). That's the only way authors know what's broken so they know how to fix them. On Friday 25 August 2006 17:02, Mr Gibson... (Earnest Hern) wrote:
I have tested many themes within just the core and within the core with added mods. I tested about 25 themes and only one was ok. The others seem to have some kind of problem.
I then read a message at drupal.org that the big problem was because of the themes themself. That there should be one theme with different style sheets instead.
From what you have said and the other messages that I have read, I have
determined that I will not install any third party themes, but instead I will wait until drupal addresses this theme problem.
----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com> To: <support@drupal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [support] themes problem
On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:26, Mr Gibson... (Earnest Hern) wrote:
I am using the latest snapshot drupal-cvs-4-7.tar.gz.
I have noticed that drupal has a very bad selection of themes. Each one seems to have some display problem. Most of the themes found at the
drupal
theme link do not fully work in the laster browsers. The forum table is
not
sized correctly or the hover colours are not correct or the input boxed
are
out of alignment. The only themes to work 100% are the ones packed with drupal. The themes I am installing are for 4.7.0. not the cvs version. Where can I get a good selection of fully workable themes. Drupal may
have
lots of options but if i cant get some good themes, it will be hard to
keep
members. I have tryed the theme garden but at that place is the same
themes
as the drupal site.
Two things:
1) The themes projects are just as "unfiltered" as module projects. Some
are
great, some are good, some are broken steaming piles that haven't been updated in 2 years. There's no built-in policing method for that
currently.
So they're all "caveat downloador".
2) Are you using any contributed modules? There are so many possible ways
to
mix and match Drupal functionality that it's difficult if not impossible
to
make a theme that will cover all of them. Even core itself can be
configured
in dozens of ways. Not all themes support all features, and when you add
in
browser stupidity (IE breaks in a thousand ways, Safari breaks in a
different
200 ways, Firefox breaks in its own 3-4 ways), generic theming is down
right
impossible. :-)
I agree that the after-market themes available for Drupal right now are
not
that impressive, but hopefully you can see why. In practice, I think it's
a
good plan to build your own theme for your site, pulling in ideas and code from existing themes where possible. (Eg, I tend to use the bluemarine
forum
code as a starting point.) Beware bugs in browsers.
I'm not sure if that's much help, but hopefully it's worth something. :-)
-- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012
"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the
possession
of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." --
Thomas
Jefferson -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]
-- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
I have an idea but I dont think it will be considered. Drupal can be thought of as an cms construction set. However, the themes are lacking that ability. My idea, is one theme, with options. At the theme options menu are login border on/off, forum no border, login border size, background theme color, header selector ect. However, drupal in my believe is moving in a wrong direction, or a direction of a more harder learning system. As the result, in incompatibility issues between drupal versions. the blocks, modules, nodes are all like a building blocks for drupal. The theme should be treated the same. The options are the building blocks for the theme. In other words, there does not need to be many themes. One theme with many option instead. Then the save options can be a version of a theme. ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com> To: <support@drupal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [support] themes problem
Well, I don't know what Drupal itself can do to address the "problem". The issue is that theming is hard, and theming a plethora of different possible combinations of functionality is exponentially harder. That's more innate in web design than in Drupal itself.
While steps have been taken in each new version to make theming easier (in the next version, for instance, the core CSS file has been broken up by module to make it easier to override), I don't think easy, universal themes are an achieveable goal.
If you find problems with themes on drupal.org, please file bug reports against them (assuming they haven't already been filed). That's the only way authors know what's broken so they know how to fix them.
On Friday 25 August 2006 17:02, Mr Gibson... (Earnest Hern) wrote:
I have tested many themes within just the core and within the core with added mods. I tested about 25 themes and only one was ok. The others seem to have some kind of problem.
I then read a message at drupal.org that the big problem was because of the themes themself. That there should be one theme with different style sheets instead.
From what you have said and the other messages that I have read, I have
determined that I will not install any third party themes, but instead I will wait until drupal addresses this theme problem.
----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com> To: <support@drupal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [support] themes problem
On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:26, Mr Gibson... (Earnest Hern) wrote:
I am using the latest snapshot drupal-cvs-4-7.tar.gz.
I have noticed that drupal has a very bad selection of themes. Each one seems to have some display problem. Most of the themes found at the
drupal
theme link do not fully work in the laster browsers. The forum table is
not
sized correctly or the hover colours are not correct or the input boxed
are
out of alignment. The only themes to work 100% are the ones packed with drupal. The themes I am installing are for 4.7.0. not the cvs version. Where can I get a good selection of fully workable themes. Drupal may
have
lots of options but if i cant get some good themes, it will be hard to
keep
members. I have tryed the theme garden but at that place is the same
themes
as the drupal site.
Two things:
1) The themes projects are just as "unfiltered" as module projects. Some
are
great, some are good, some are broken steaming piles that haven't been updated in 2 years. There's no built-in policing method for that
currently.
So they're all "caveat downloador".
2) Are you using any contributed modules? There are so many possible ways
to
mix and match Drupal functionality that it's difficult if not impossible
to
make a theme that will cover all of them. Even core itself can be
configured
in dozens of ways. Not all themes support all features, and when you add
in
browser stupidity (IE breaks in a thousand ways, Safari breaks in a
different
200 ways, Firefox breaks in its own 3-4 ways), generic theming is down
right
impossible. :-)
I agree that the after-market themes available for Drupal right now are
not
that impressive, but hopefully you can see why. In practice, I think it's
a
good plan to build your own theme for your site, pulling in ideas and code from existing themes where possible. (Eg, I tend to use the bluemarine
forum
code as a starting point.) Beware bugs in browsers.
I'm not sure if that's much help, but hopefully it's worth something. :-)
-- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012
"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the
possession
of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." --
Thomas
Jefferson -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]
-- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012
"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]
Actually that's already possible. First of all, what you're suggesting is essentially just CSS changes. Those don't require major changes. Turning on or off borders on something should be done via CSS. That does not even scratch the surface of what Drupal themes are capable of doing. Have a look at http://www.drupalsites.com/ It's a gallery of sites built with Drupal. Notice how many of those sitse look nothing like a "normal" Drupal site? That wouldn't be possible without the flexibility in Drupal's theming system. That flexibility, however, comes at the cost of complexity. The more things you can tweak, the more combinations there are to deal with. However, if all you want to do is vary the style of a theme a bit, you can already do that with "subthemes" now. Have a look at the stock chameleon and marvin themes. One is a "subtheme" of the other, and inherits it's templates. It then just overrides the CSS. Is that more along the lines of what you're looking for? Themes are not something that's configured via an admin tool, by nature. They're simply too complex for that. But at the CSS/HTML template level, you really can do nearly anything if you're willing to sit down and do so. On Friday 25 August 2006 18:09, Mr Gibson... (Earnest Hern) wrote:
I have an idea but I dont think it will be considered. Drupal can be thought of as an cms construction set. However, the themes are lacking that ability. My idea, is one theme, with options. At the theme options menu are login border on/off, forum no border, login border size, background theme color, header selector ect. However, drupal in my believe is moving in a wrong direction, or a direction of a more harder learning system. As the result, in incompatibility issues between drupal versions. the blocks, modules, nodes are all like a building blocks for drupal. The theme should be treated the same. The options are the building blocks for the theme. In other words, there does not need to be many themes. One theme with many option instead. Then the save options can be a version of a theme.
----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com> To: <support@drupal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [support] themes problem
Well, I don't know what Drupal itself can do to address the "problem".
The
issue is that theming is hard, and theming a plethora of different
possible
combinations of functionality is exponentially harder. That's more innate
in
web design than in Drupal itself.
While steps have been taken in each new version to make theming easier (in
the
next version, for instance, the core CSS file has been broken up by module
to
make it easier to override), I don't think easy, universal themes are an achieveable goal.
If you find problems with themes on drupal.org, please file bug reports against them (assuming they haven't already been filed). That's the only
way
authors know what's broken so they know how to fix them.
On Friday 25 August 2006 17:02, Mr Gibson... (Earnest Hern) wrote:
I have tested many themes within just the core and within the core with added mods. I tested about 25 themes and only one was ok. The others
seem
to have some kind of problem.
I then read a message at drupal.org that the big problem was because of
the
themes themself. That there should be one theme with different style
sheets
instead.
From what you have said and the other messages that I have read, I have
determined that I will not install any third party themes, but instead I will wait until drupal addresses this theme problem.
----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com> To: <support@drupal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [support] themes problem
On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:26, Mr Gibson... (Earnest Hern) wrote:
I am using the latest snapshot drupal-cvs-4-7.tar.gz.
I have noticed that drupal has a very bad selection of themes. Each
one
seems to have some display problem. Most of the themes found at the
drupal
theme link do not fully work in the laster browsers. The forum table
is
not
sized correctly or the hover colours are not correct or the input
boxed
are
out of alignment. The only themes to work 100% are the ones packed
with
drupal. The themes I am installing are for 4.7.0. not the cvs
version.
Where can I get a good selection of fully workable themes. Drupal
may
have
lots of options but if i cant get some good themes, it will be hard
to
keep
members. I have tryed the theme garden but at that place is the same
themes
as the drupal site.
Two things:
1) The themes projects are just as "unfiltered" as module projects.
Some
are
great, some are good, some are broken steaming piles that haven't been updated in 2 years. There's no built-in policing method for that
currently.
So they're all "caveat downloador".
2) Are you using any contributed modules? There are so many possible ways
to
mix and match Drupal functionality that it's difficult if not
impossible
to
make a theme that will cover all of them. Even core itself can be
configured
in dozens of ways. Not all themes support all features, and when you
add
in
browser stupidity (IE breaks in a thousand ways, Safari breaks in a
different
200 ways, Firefox breaks in its own 3-4 ways), generic theming is down
right
impossible. :-)
I agree that the after-market themes available for Drupal right now
are
not
that impressive, but hopefully you can see why. In practice, I think it's
a
good plan to build your own theme for your site, pulling in ideas and code from existing themes where possible. (Eg, I tend to use the bluemarine
forum
code as a starting point.) Beware bugs in browsers.
I'm not sure if that's much help, but hopefully it's worth something. : :-) : -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012
"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps
it
to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the
possession
of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." --
Thomas
Jefferson -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]
-- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012
"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the
possession
of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." --
Thomas
Jefferson -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]
-- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
participants (7)
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Bill Fitzgerald -
Eric Mckenna -
Gina Rydland -
Greg Knaddison - GVS -
Larry Garfield -
Mr Gibson... (Earnest Hern) -
Sohodojo Jim