Keryn and I are talking. I have screenshots and the various hacks and just asking for information that is not MS confidential to be published.

Last time I checked the theme on Drupal.org did not validate so I think we need to be careful about accusations of incompatibility with standards until we see the evidence.

Cheers, Kieran

On Jan 20, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Edgard Durand wrote:

Hello all,

Why do they think the problem is on our side? Unless they are addressing an issue with our themes not adhering to standards, they don't have a valid point.

I suspect this IE7 release will break many sites, just to force people to code in a way only this browser can understand.

My suggestion is that we need to keep ourselves very skeptical about their incompatibility reports and keep focusing on standards. If they want to release a broken browser that's up to them.

Let's see what those supposed incompatibilities are.

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Hello,

My name is Keryn Mark and I am part of the Internet Explorer 7 Compatibility team at Microsoft. We have discovered IE 7 compatibility issues with your website and we want to work with you to resolve these issues as soon as possible. I would appreciate any contact information you can provide for your website maintenance. I would like to forward you further details on the compatibility issues we've identified in your site and how to resolve.

Thank you for your time!

Best Regards, Keryn Mark Program Manager, IE7 Compatibility Team Microsoft a-kerynm@microsoft.com -- [ infrastructure | http://lists.drupal.org/listinfo/infrastructure ]

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Best regards. Edgard Durand http://capmex.biz 2006-01-20

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Hello all,

As a CSS developer and Drupal themer, I have been talking with Keryn at Microsoft about IE7, along with Kieran (Civicspace) as well.

Their browser *does not* break the layout of the site and does adhere to the standards. The problem lies in the article Edgard linked to.

Essentially, Microsoft is cleaning up their parser, so it will start to *finally* be able to parse valid CSS and CSS2 and etc. As a result, some widely known IE specific hacks no longer work.

In the case of Drupal.org, this is quite simple. The hack on Drupal.org is used to align the menu tabs, that is the only thing broken, it is quite small problem actually. In my experience, this hack is *not* needed, if the CSS was more cleverly designed, the hack would have not have been needed at all, as this is a simpler situation to fix.

I actually applaud IE for *contacting us* and alerting us to the fact. It will not be hard to fix Drupal so it doens't rely on the hack and when IE7 *does* come out, we won't get hounded with lots of forum posts saying "Drupal looks bad in my browser!". Not to mention, fixing this hack would bring Drupal.org itself closer to fully validating.

ted

On 1/20/06, Edgard Durand privacy@capmex.biz wrote:

Why do they think the problem is on our side? Unless they are addressing an issue with our themes not adhering to standards, they don't have a valid point.

I suspect this IE7 release will break many sites, just to force people to code in a way only this browser can understand.

My suggestion is that we need to keep ourselves very skeptical about their incompatibility reports and keep focusing on standards. If they want to release a broken browser that's up to them.

Let's see what those supposed incompatibilities are.