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This is my suggestion for getting a new theme into 4.8. It makes the assumption (one that not everyone agrees with) that the best thing for 4.8 is to get a new "sexy/classy/corporate" theme - one that themers will generally avoid, but which non-technical users will appreciate in vanilla Drupal installation.
1. Someone with a good knowledge of contrib themes (ie. not me) creates a list of a dozen good looking (and reasonably coded) themes. 2. A public poll is created in the drupal.org forums, and the best design chosen. 3. The chosen theme goes into core, and then we hastily patch it to make it core-worthy. (or the other way round)
Regards Simon
I like the idea.
On 7/12/06, sime info@urbits.com wrote:
Hi This discussion moved from from the dev list.
This is my suggestion for getting a new theme into 4.8. It makes the assumption (one that not everyone agrees with) that the best thing for 4.8 is to get a new "sexy/classy/corporate" theme - one that themers will generally avoid, but which non-technical users will appreciate in vanilla Drupal installation.
- Someone with a good knowledge of contrib themes (ie. not me) creates
a list of a dozen good looking (and reasonably coded) themes. 2. A public poll is created in the drupal.org forums, and the best design chosen. 3. The chosen theme goes into core, and then we hastily patch it to make it core-worthy. (or the other way round)
Regards Simon _______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
- Someone with a good knowledge of contrib themes (ie. not
me) creates a list of a dozen good looking (and reasonably coded) themes.
Would be interesting to organize a public design contest for the new Drupal default theme? There would be a deadline for coming up with proposals, and those would be voted by the Drupal community.
The contest could be advertised in differenent places, I'm sure many well know and good designers would work for making this default theme.
álvaro
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Am Mittwoch, 12. Juli 2006 09:55 schrieb Álvaro Ortiz:
Would be interesting to organize a public design contest for the new Drupal default theme? There would be a deadline for coming up with proposals, and those would be voted by the Drupal community.
I like the idea of having a public contest and am shure there are some good designers interested in it. This could also enrich the theme garden, as other good designs could be implemented too, as contrib themes.
Sanduhrs wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 12. Juli 2006 09:55 schrieb Álvaro Ortiz:
Would be interesting to organize a public design contest for the new Drupal default theme? There would be a deadline for coming up with proposals, and those would be voted by the Drupal community.
I like the idea of having a public contest and am shure there are some good designers interested in it. This could also enrich the theme garden, as other good designs could be implemented too, as contrib themes.
There is indeed a theme competition being discussed on groups (http://groups.drupal.org/theme-competition-administration) but there is no way that this will give us a stable theme by 4.8. Dries has said a new theme can make it to 4.8, but this means the solution needs to be SUPER-quick because a code freeze hits on September 1.
Hence I'm jumping on contrib as being the source.
I have had another thought about short-listing the themes. I will ask an admin to tell me which themes are the most downloaded. Put the list up for scrutiny (ie. kick out the really badly coded ones, if any).
hello! my first post in this list.. what areas of PHP should i get familiar with (first) in order to really customize themes?
a little background: i've been poking around drupal for a while, and am starting to get a feel for it. i consider my knowledge of modern table-less xhtml/css practices to be somewhere between intermediate and advanced. my knowledge of PHP (and programing in general) is very limited. i've made it through a few tutorials, and parts of a rather poorly written php book. in short, i know enough about php to be willing to experiment, but it's still a little scary. (but only a little) =)
i love xhtml/css, falling hard for drupal, and am excited to start learning PHP. as i'm a graphic designer, being able really customize themes is of extreme interest, and an area of the community i'd like to be able to contribute to in the near future.
i'm planing to start going through online php tutorials more regularly in order to become more familiar with php in general, and specifically so that i can customize and develop drupal themes to my heart's content.
so again, what areas in php should i particularly focus on with regards to themeing?
thanks!
As someone who learned (and is still very much learning) PHP to work with Drupal, my recommendation is to focus on first things first: Basic syntax. Basic commands. The various conditionals arguments, especially. (if, elseif, case, switch)
You can gain a lot of understanding, potentially, by going through some of the existing contributed themes and see how they approached different things. That's a start.
Then maybe going into the theme snippets and php snippets in the handbook would be next. Refer to your textbooks for background and deeper understanding. (There are many online resources and books out there. I've used the O'Reilly and Visual Quickpro Guide books, both titled "PHP and MySQL".)
I hope this helps. My philosophy is it's best to learn by doing, whenever possible.
Laura
pingVision, LLC 4450 Arapahoe Ave, Suite 100 Boulder, CO 80303
www.pingv.com 303.415.2559 inquiry@pingv.com
On Jul 14, 2006, at 12:40 PM, brendan carney wrote:
hello! my first post in this list.. what areas of PHP should i get familiar with (first) in order to really customize themes?
a little background: i've been poking around drupal for a while, and am starting to get a feel for it. i consider my knowledge of modern table-less xhtml/css practices to be somewhere between intermediate and advanced. my knowledge of PHP (and programing in general) is very limited. i've made it through a few tutorials, and parts of a rather poorly written php book. in short, i know enough about php to be willing to experiment, but it's still a little scary. (but only a little) =)
i love xhtml/css, falling hard for drupal, and am excited to start learning PHP. as i'm a graphic designer, being able really customize themes is of extreme interest, and an area of the community i'd like to be able to contribute to in the near future.
i'm planing to start going through online php tutorials more regularly in order to become more familiar with php in general, and specifically so that i can customize and develop drupal themes to my heart's content. so again, what areas in php should i particularly focus on with regards to themeing?
thanks! _______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
thanks Laura! thats exactly the type of feed back i was looking for. i was assuming that the conditional arguments would be of particular importance in directing which users see what, depending on where in the site they are. and i've already started poking around different themes trying to get some clues as to the way different people have approached things.
so, thanks again for your response! ---------------
Laura Scott wrote:
As someone who learned (and is still very much learning) PHP to work with Drupal, my recommendation is to focus on first things first: Basic syntax. Basic commands. The various conditionals arguments, especially. (if, elseif, case, switch)
You can gain a lot of understanding, potentially, by going through some of the existing contributed themes and see how they approached different things. That's a start.
Then maybe going into the theme snippets and php snippets in the handbook would be next. Refer to your textbooks for background and deeper understanding. (There are many online resources and books out there. I've used the O'Reilly and Visual Quickpro Guide books, both titled "PHP and MySQL".)
I hope this helps. My philosophy is it's best to learn by doing, whenever possible.
Laura
pingVision, LLC 4450 Arapahoe Ave, Suite 100 Boulder, CO 80303
www.pingv.com 303.415.2559 inquiry@pingv.com
On Jul 14, 2006, at 12:40 PM, brendan carney wrote:
hello! my first post in this list.. what areas of PHP should i get familiar with (first) in order to really customize themes?
a little background: i've been poking around drupal for a while, and am starting to get a feel for it. i consider my knowledge of modern table-less xhtml/css practices to be somewhere between intermediate and advanced. my knowledge of PHP (and programing in general) is very limited. i've made it through a few tutorials, and parts of a rather poorly written php book. in short, i know enough about php to be willing to experiment, but it's still a little scary. (but only a little) =)
i love xhtml/css, falling hard for drupal, and am excited to start learning PHP. as i'm a graphic designer, being able really customize themes is of extreme interest, and an area of the community i'd like to be able to contribute to in the near future.
i'm planing to start going through online php tutorials more regularly in order to become more familiar with php in general, and specifically so that i can customize and develop drupal themes to my heart's content. so again, what areas in php should i particularly focus on with regards to themeing?
thanks! _______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
Personally, I wouldn't put that sort of thing in the theme. There are modules available to access control and you and do a lot of showing different things in different sections right through the interface.
Michelle
----- Original Message ----- From: "brendan carney" info@fresh-off.com To: "A list for theme developers" themes@drupal.org Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [themes] php and learning to theme
thanks Laura! thats exactly the type of feed back i was looking for. i was assuming that the conditional arguments would be of particular importance in directing which users see what, depending on where in the site they are. and i've already started poking around different themes trying to get some clues as to the way different people have approached things.
so, thanks again for your response!
Laura Scott wrote:
As someone who learned (and is still very much learning) PHP to work with Drupal, my recommendation is to focus on first things first: Basic syntax. Basic commands. The various conditionals arguments, especially. (if, elseif, case, switch)
You can gain a lot of understanding, potentially, by going through some of the existing contributed themes and see how they approached different things. That's a start.
Then maybe going into the theme snippets and php snippets in the handbook would be next. Refer to your textbooks for background and deeper understanding. (There are many online resources and books out there. I've used the O'Reilly and Visual Quickpro Guide books, both titled "PHP and MySQL".)
I hope this helps. My philosophy is it's best to learn by doing, whenever possible.
Laura
pingVision, LLC 4450 Arapahoe Ave, Suite 100 Boulder, CO 80303
www.pingv.com 303.415.2559 inquiry@pingv.com
On Jul 14, 2006, at 12:40 PM, brendan carney wrote:
hello! my first post in this list.. what areas of PHP should i get familiar with (first) in order to really customize themes?
a little background: i've been poking around drupal for a while, and am starting to get a feel for it. i consider my knowledge of modern table-less xhtml/css practices to be somewhere between intermediate and advanced. my knowledge of PHP (and programing in general) is very limited. i've made it through a few tutorials, and parts of a rather poorly written php book. in short, i know enough about php to be willing to experiment, but it's still a little scary. (but only a little) =)
i love xhtml/css, falling hard for drupal, and am excited to start learning PHP. as i'm a graphic designer, being able really customize themes is of extreme interest, and an area of the community i'd like to be able to contribute to in the near future.
i'm planing to start going through online php tutorials more regularly in order to become more familiar with php in general, and specifically so that i can customize and develop drupal themes to my heart's content. so again, what areas in php should i particularly focus on with regards to themeing?
thanks! _______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
My feeling is that it depends. Some things, like user tests, can be very expensive resource-wise, and there are other ways to achieve that result. But other things can be quite easy and not the kind of thing you find in modules.
For example, one thing I often do is use a conditional to display different information in the node teaser vs. full node display.
I consider the theme to be precisely where what gets displayed where is determined. The more hard-coded and/or pre-formatted content is from the CMS, the more challenging I find theming to be.
Laura
On Jul 19, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Michelle Cox wrote:
Personally, I wouldn't put that sort of thing in the theme. There are modules available to access control and you and do a lot of showing different things in different sections right through the interface.
Michelle
----- Original Message ----- From: "brendan carney" <info@fresh- off.com> To: "A list for theme developers" themes@drupal.org Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [themes] php and learning to theme
thanks Laura! thats exactly the type of feed back i was looking for. i was assuming that the conditional arguments would be of particular importance in directing which users see what, depending on where in the site they are. and i've already started poking around different themes trying to get some clues as to the way different people have approached things.
so, thanks again for your response!
Laura Scott wrote:
As someone who learned (and is still very much learning) PHP to work with Drupal, my recommendation is to focus on first things first: Basic syntax. Basic commands. The various conditionals arguments, especially. (if, elseif, case, switch)
You can gain a lot of understanding, potentially, by going through some of the existing contributed themes and see how they approached different things. That's a start.
Then maybe going into the theme snippets and php snippets in the handbook would be next. Refer to your textbooks for background and deeper understanding. (There are many online resources and books out there. I've used the O'Reilly and Visual Quickpro Guide books, both titled "PHP and MySQL".)
I hope this helps. My philosophy is it's best to learn by doing, whenever possible.
Laura
pingVision, LLC 4450 Arapahoe Ave, Suite 100 Boulder, CO 80303
www.pingv.com 303.415.2559 inquiry@pingv.com
On Jul 14, 2006, at 12:40 PM, brendan carney wrote:
hello! my first post in this list.. what areas of PHP should i get familiar with (first) in order to really customize themes?
a little background: i've been poking around drupal for a while, and am starting to get a feel for it. i consider my knowledge of modern table-less xhtml/css practices to be somewhere between intermediate and advanced. my knowledge of PHP (and programing in general) is very limited. i've made it through a few tutorials, and parts of a rather poorly written php book. in short, i know enough about php to be willing to experiment, but it's still a little scary. (but only a little) =)
i love xhtml/css, falling hard for drupal, and am excited to start learning PHP. as i'm a graphic designer, being able really customize themes is of extreme interest, and an area of the community i'd like to be able to contribute to in the near future.
i'm planing to start going through online php tutorials more regularly in order to become more familiar with php in general, and specifically so that i can customize and develop drupal themes to my heart's content. so again, what areas in php should i particularly focus on with regards to themeing?
thanks! _______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
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