Hi again,
- As Frederik says, we use "kmr" for Kurmanji and "ckb" for Sorani. We use these codes in GNOME and some other projects.
- you are right, "ku" is not a country code. We can not ku_KU in any projects. SO we use ku_TR for some projects. Why projects need country code? Do countries support projects? No. It would be great to use only language codes for all projects.

As you see from Kurdish Google, iso639 2 makes problems for us. It would be better to use "kmr" and "ckb"

That is good Drupal will use iso639 3.

Amed


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  1. Re: language code problem (for kurdish) ( G?bor Hojtsy )
  2. Re: language code problem (for kurdish)
     (Frederik 'Freso' S. Olesen)


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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:52:15 +0100
From: " G?bor Hojtsy " <gabor@hojtsy.hu >
Subject: Re: [translations] language code problem (for kurdish)
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Hey Amed,

On Jan 18, 2008 2:00 AM, Amed ?eko Jiyan < amedcj@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would translate Drupal into Kurdish (Kurmanc?). I got cvs account and i
> created a project named Kurdish Kurmanc?. I would use ku_KU as language code
> for Kurmanc?, but i got that message "- We normally use iso639 2 letter
> language codes for Drupal, ie for Kurdish it is ku" all of otehr projects
> -like Mozilla Firefox, Google- would we use ku as language code. That is
> because they don't know any thing about Kurdish language(s). Kurdish is a
> languages family as Scandinavian.
> After i start to translate Drupal into Kurdish Kurmanc?, some other friends
> started to translate into Kurdish Soran?. We are translating Drupal into two
> languages but we have one language code (ku). will one of us stop to
> translating Drupal because that problem? No, i don't think so. I have
> allready created ku, ku_KU, so_KU in CVS directory.
> I would Drupal will let us to use ku_KU and so_Ku as languages codes.
>
> *Maybe you would see that big mistake : http://www.google.com/intl/ku/
> That is Kurdish page of Google. When you open that page, you will some some
> thing in latin letters (Kurmanc?) and some other things in arabic letters
> (Soran?). I hope Drupal will not fall in same mistake.

Well, Drupal 5 and before uses the ISO 639 language codes. With Drupal
6, we are migrating to the RFC 4646 codes, which supersede the ISO 639
codes as far as W3C directions go.
( http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4646.txt) It is important to choose
interoperable language codes, because when browsers send what is their
preferred language, Drupal can only choose the right one for display,
if the browser and Drupal use the same format. So we try to follow
standards.

I looked into the registry for information on how this is handled
there: http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry . Looks
like the IANA does not "know about" (to borrow your words) Kurmanc? or
Soran? either. May it be that there are some other / alternate names
for these variants, which are registered there?

It would be great to do this to the letter of the standards, so I'd
ask you to collaborate and think this through first :)

Gabor


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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:34:20 +0100
From: "Frederik 'Freso' S. Olesen" <freso.dk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [translations] language code problem (for kurdish)
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2008/1/18, Amed ?eko Jiyan <amedcj@gmail.com>:
>[...] That is
>because they don't know any thing about Kurdish language(s). Kurdish is a
>languages family as Scandinavian.
>After i start to translate Drupal into Kurdish Kurmanc?, some other friends
>started to translate into Kurdish Soran?. We are translating Drupal into two
>languages but we have one language code (ku). [...]

So there is no language "Kurdish"? According to Wikipedia, Kurdish is
considered by some to be in three parts (Northern (Kurmanji), Central
(Sorani), and Southern (Zaza-Gorani)), although this is also a topic
of linguistic debate.[1] However, as I'm very much *for* spreading
both languages and dialects, I'd say: Just use the ISO 639-3 codes!
"kmr" for Kurmanji and "ckb" for Sorani.

(By the way, I only investigated this as I am Scandinavian meself
(Danish, to be exact)... >_>)

>[...] I have
>allready created ku, ku_KU, so_KU in CVS directory.
>I would Drupal will let us to use ku_KU and so_Ku as languages codes.

so_KU would mean "Somali, as spoken in KU" (apparently, there's no
"ku" country code[2]). I'm pretty sure this is not your intention. :)
Again, I'd say: Go with the ISO 639-3 codes I listed above.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_language#Dialects
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2
--
Frederik 'Freso' S. Olesen <http://freso.dk/>


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