[consulting] Drupal Professions Shop Conference Call
gerhard at killesreiter.de
Fri Feb 24 00:50:58 UTC 2006
Gregory Heller wrote:
>I can understand why you might think that my sudden burst of involvement
>is "a bit strange".
> I am not a coder, at all,
Just to get that right from the start: I am not of the opinion that only
coders can contribute to the Drupal project. Best examples are Charlie
Lowe and Steven Peck who have done a lot of invaluable work on
> I am a fierce advocate
>and evangelist for Drupal and CiviCRM, I am a project manager with my
>firm, and do client relations. At CivicActions, we do CiviCRM and
>Drupal. I am working to contribute in ways that I can. The community
>talks alot about getting people like me to contribute, and having my
>motivation or sincerity questioned isn't the best encouragement.
I am not questioning your motivation or sincerity, I am questioning the
way you approach the way to contribute.
What I am seeing is that you jump in head first into the project where
it would maybe have been wiser to get in feet first.
>CivicActions is actively working to increase our participation (writ
>large) in the Drupal Community. That includes code, documentation,
>community organizing, event organizing.
I hope that, since all I am seeing right now is this:
>Right now, coming off of Vancouver, there was a sense that organizing
>the Drupal professional community was something that could help the
>community at large. We are biting off low hanging fruit. Conference
>Calls, Drupal Professionals Directory, etc....
After the way you approached the conf calls I can only hope you do the
directory a little bit better.
>There are issues that effect Drupal shops. I am trying to get shops
>together because the shops I have spoken to have all expressed interest
>in working more collaboratively to address the problems/challenges that
>we face. One of those big problems is training and developing new
>talent, not just so there can be more lone cowboys out there, but so
>that Drupal shops can take on bigger projects, and scale.
I don't recall Drupal shops doing any mentoring of Summer of Code
students. In fact, all this mentoring was done by freelancers.
>We are trying to have a focused conference call to address the issues
>that shops are facing.
Why did you chose Jason's answer to remind him that he is not the
intended audience and not the other answers who weren't exactly from
>I am sure that sole contractors have a set of issues that they face,
>maybe some of them overlap with those facing shops, others don't. I
From your original mail:
This call is specifically geared to firms/shops that are doing drupal
deployments to talk about things like:
Drupal Pros Directory
Client Funded Module Development
DrupalCamp training sessions
None of the three topics seems to be very much geared at Drupal shops.
>don't know because I have spent my time talking to other shops and not
>sole contractors. Maybe someone should set up a monthly conference call
>for sole contractors to talk.
I don't believe in conference calls. Everything that is said there can
probably be done through email. OTOH, I am not that experienced wrt them.
> This is sort of happening as more Drupal
>"user" or "developer" groups form and meet, like the one in NY that we
>helped organize last week and the Bay Area group.
Oh, yeah, I remember reading the minutes of the first Bay Area user
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