[consulting] consulting Digest, Vol 35, Issue 1

Sat Dec 13 01:36:12 UTC 2008

Hey there in this kind of situation I m simply drawing a line of competency,
for example if customer wants to have posibility to post to linkedin network
from within your software and he is asking if it is ok with you, you as a
drupal consultant can answer yes it is possible, as far as this is hire for
work or any other agreement with fully moved rights to intelectual property
it's not your problem and its not your business, you take care about
software to work properly and do a thing. You are IT consultant not a Law
Firm. Anyway if you have this kind of customers you pretty much don't care
about the consequences becaues your contract is about IT not Law consulting
so even if you advice something in this matter in case of any real situation
this is your cutomer fault not yours becaues its his product and his
software=)
Mac
PS. Do thing your know about and you are the best you cannot be a lawyer
advisor and drupal consultant. (at least i hope so)

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:15 PM, <consulting-request at drupal.org> wrote:

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>   1. Re: [JOB] Senior Drupal Developer, NYC - 110-135k (Chris Johnson)
>   2. Examples of using Drupal in public service, for transparency
>      and collaboration (Zohar Stolar - Linnovate)
>   3. Patenting Drupal solutions (Brett Evanson)
>   4. Re: Patenting Drupal solutions (Darrel O'Pry)
>   5. Re: Patenting Drupal solutions (Liam McDermott)
>   6. Re: Patenting Drupal solutions (ixlr8 at comcast.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:31:51 -0600
> From: "Chris Johnson" <cxjohnson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [consulting] [JOB] Senior Drupal Developer, NYC -
>        110-135k
> To: "A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting
>        providers"      <consulting at drupal.org>
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> I'd be careful about throwing insults and snappy responses here.  (1)
> the Drupal community has a real low tolerance for misbehavior, (2)
> Eric's reputation is a lot better here than Mr. Gould's, and (3) a
> quick Google search makes it easy to find other examples of Mr.
> Gould's inability to follow list rules.
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Beau Gould <bg at capitalmarketsp.com>
> wrote:
> > Eric,
> >
> > 10 years later, you're the only person who still harasses me for petty
> > nonsense.  I am subscribed to and post legitimate jobs to some 250 lists.
> > The WWWACKED list is the only one I'm (happily) banned from.
> >
> > Have a nice day.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Beau Gould
> > Executive Advisor
> > Capital Markets Placement
> > www.cmp.jobs
> > bg at capitalmarketsp.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric Goldhagen [mailto:eric at openflows.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:55 PM
> > To: bg at capitalmarketsp.com; A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal
> > service/hosting providers
> > Subject: Re: [consulting] [JOB] Senior Drupal Developer, NYC - 110-135k
> >
> > At 12:28 PM -0500 11/17/08, Beau Gould wrote:
> >>I've got a super stealth client looking for a FULL TIME Senior Drupal
> >>Developer for their NYC office. This is a full time, on-site, salaried
> >>position.
> >
> > Beau,
> >
> > When we were last in touch, you contacted me in regards to a job ad I
> > put on the WWWAC list that explicitly stated "no agencies, only
> > individual freelancers should reply"
> >
> > First, you sent me resumes from people that were not aware you were
> > even claiming to represent them, secondly when you called me to press
> > for one of the people you represented and I pointed out that the post
> > was explicit and I did not have any interest in hearing from an agent
> > or agencies you told me "then don't put your fucking phone number on
> > the internet" and hung up.
> >
> > As a result of this and countless other similar situations, you were
> > banned from the WWWAC list.
> >
> > I just wanted to remind you what I told you then, your disrespectful
> > reputation will follow you for a long time.
> >
> > Anyone responding to Beau might want to do some quick research and
> > see just how many lists and communities he's been banned from for
> > similar issues of disrespect and misrepresentation.
> >
> > --Eric
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:52:26 +0200
> From: Zohar Stolar - Linnovate <z.stolar at gmail.com>
> Subject: [consulting] Examples of using Drupal in public service, for
>        transparency and collaboration
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> Message-ID: <4933A5CA.8020701 at linnovate.net>
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> Hi all,
>
>
> I was asked by a mayor of a big city to build a proposal for a website
> that will be used by the city's committees (education, transport,
> health...).
>
> The website should allow the committees to publish their protocols, and
> receive feedback from the public, as well as compose new procedures, and
> development plans, together with the public, in full transparency.
>
> While you'd say: "why... that's a simple OG installation, or even
> simpler!", I do need to show few examples of already working systems (no
> one wants to be the first fro some reason :) ).
>
>
> Could you point me to existing uses of Drupal in public service, where
> the site is used not only for publishing official announcements, but
> also for discussing with the public, and using it as a real democratic
> tool?
>
>
> We're trying to push Drupal as a tool to increase democracy and
> transparency in local authorities (medium to big cities), so anything
> which would help the mayor to take the right decision (that is - Drupal)
> is welcome.
>
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:42:34 -0700
> From: "Brett Evanson" <brettev at gmail.com>
> Subject: [consulting] Patenting Drupal solutions
> To: consulting at drupal.org
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> I'm working with a client that has asked me this question: "Is
> anything we are doing patentable?".
>
> What sort of things are patentable within open source development?
> What sort of issues are there with specific licenses? Where do I even
> go to start here?
>
> Any help is much appreciated.
>
> --
> Brett Evanson
> brettev at gmail.com
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:50:33 -0500
> From: "Darrel O'Pry" <darrel.opry at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [consulting] Patenting Drupal solutions
> To: "A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting
>        providers"      <consulting at drupal.org>
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> /me laughs uproariously...
> I'd tell my client no, sorry, I don't roll that way....
>
> Then I'd tell them to hire a lawyer.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Brett Evanson <brettev at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm working with a client that has asked me this question: "Is
> > anything we are doing patentable?".
> >
> > What sort of things are patentable within open source development?
> > What sort of issues are there with specific licenses? Where do I even
> > go to start here?
> >
> > Any help is much appreciated.
> >
> > --
> > Brett Evanson
> > brettev at gmail.com
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> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:57:13 -0500
> From: Liam McDermott <liam at intermedia-online.com>
> Subject: Re: [consulting] Patenting Drupal solutions
> To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers
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> Brett Evanson wrote:
> > I'm working with a client that has asked me this question: "Is
> > anything we are doing patentable?".
> >
> > What sort of things are patentable within open source development?
> > What sort of issues are there with specific licenses? Where do I even
> > go to start here?
>
> The terse answer to this is: get a lawyer.
>
> Most software developers are against software-idea patents, as they
> hamper our ability to innovate. Therefore it's not likely you'll get
> much help from this list; it's also dodgy ground to offer what may be
> misconstrued as 'legal advice', because in some countries it's possible
> to be held liable for it.
>
> It also depends on where in the world you are. In the EU, the answer
> might be 'no', in Canada 'maybe', and in the US 'probably not', etc.
> This brings us around to what I said originally: get a lawyer.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Liam McDermott.
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:01:45 +0000 (UTC)
> From: ixlr8 at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [consulting] Patenting Drupal solutions
> To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers
>        <consulting at drupal.org>
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> 551199285.312161229108505423.JavaMail.root at sz0078a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
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> Patentable? Wow, if I had a nickle for every time I've heard that. I'd have
> a couple of nickles....
>
> It kind of reminds me of a movie quote...
>
> "Inconceivable!"
> "I do not think that word means what you think it means."
>
> Rather than a lawyer, your client needs a dictionary. The short answer is
> no, he can't patent what you guys are doing. Both of you should probably
> read up on licensing.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darrel O'Pry" <darrel.opry at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 1:50:33 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [consulting] Patenting Drupal solutions
>
> /me laughs uproariously...
>
>
> I'd tell my client no, sorry, I don't roll that way....
>
>
> Then I'd tell them to hire a lawyer.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Brett Evanson < brettev at gmail.com >
> wrote:
>
>
> I'm working with a client that has asked me this question: "Is
> anything we are doing patentable?".
>
> What sort of things are patentable within open source development?
> What sort of issues are there with specific licenses? Where do I even
> go to start here?
>
> Any help is much appreciated.
>
> --
> Brett Evanson
> brettev at gmail.com
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> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:09:26 -0700
> From: Adam Mordecai <mordecai at advomatic.com>
> Subject: Re: [consulting] Patenting Drupal solutions
> To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers
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> The idea of patenting OPEN SOURCE software is sort of like worshipping
> The Devil in a Catholic Church full of parishioners in the middle of a
> service. The outcomes would be similar.
>
> If they want a closed source solution, then they should build their
> own rather than trying to copyright the blood sweat and tears of
> thousands of developers all over the world and claiming it as their own.
>
> When you see your client, please laugh in their face and pat them on
> the head as if they are a cute baby goat in a petting zoo.
>
> Adam Mordecai
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> On Dec 12, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Brett Evanson wrote:
>
> I'm working with a client that has asked me this question: "Is
> anything we are doing patentable?".
>
> What sort of things are patentable within open source development?
> What sort of issues are there with specific licenses? Where do I even
> go to start here?
>
> Any help is much appreciated.
>
> --
> Brett Evanson
> brettev at gmail.com
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