[consulting] Acceptable Job Postings

[Brian Vuyk]

Personally, I could do without the ads. I'm not looking for more work, 
and the ads just clutter up my trash.

However, I can see their value to others of the group. I am inclined to 
agree with the other responses which suggest ads looking for 
consultants, and posted by consultants are appropriate, while those by 
tech recruiters and the like are not really.

As far as clients on the list, well, they definately lurk here. A while 
back, I posted (in general terms) about a client issue I was having, 
looking for advice / how other developers handled it. I had a 
*different* client call me later in the day quite upset that I was 
referring to him. Once I explained that it was not him, and pointed out 
the obvious major differences between what I wrote to the group and him, 
he calmed down, but told me in no uncertain terms that he felt I should 
not be discussing client relationships with others.

Since then, I've refrained from discussing anything client-related or 
business-related in this group. However, I wouldn't mind seeing a 
mailing list created with controlled access for developers - ie, you 
must have an email address from a development shop or something. I do 
feel that we can learn a lot from each other, especially small business 
shops. Best business practices, tips for dealing with problem clients 
etc. etc. which may not be appropriate to discuss in front of clients 
directly.

Brian

Ryan Cross wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This is not directed at anyone in particular (i.e. Sam) but I'm
> curious how other people feel about job postings on this mailing list.
> I personally would expect this list to be used for discussions between
> consultants/shops and mostly around issues facing us that do not
> necessarily get addressed by other outlets (i.e. not technical or
> development questions, theming functions, etc). I would generally
> expect discussions around business topics such as Sam's recent
> discussion about a skills inventory used in hiring people.
>
> It seems very obvious when people not familiar with this list (usually
> newbies) end up posting job offers or projects to this list without
> this concept. While I am sure people on this list might be interested
> in more work (obviously they are in the business for it), I personally
> do not like seeing them here. I guess I would like to imagine that
> this can be a bit of a sanctuary for discussion about clients/business
> without feeling like we have to always be worried about looking bad in
> front of potential clients. (you probably don't want clients knowing
> you're unsure of how to estimate a job or that your contracts might
> have holes in it, etc). I am quite conscious of this being a public
> forum and have no delusions people can find out this stuff, but I
> don't want potential clients to have more of a reason to come here and
> I would support any actions that would discourage this like job posts
> to this list. The converse of this would be if people started posting
> to this list advertising their skills/services, which I think would
> also be inappropriate.
>
> How does everyone else feel?
>
> There may be some grey areas, such as consultants looking for
> specialists in other areas. Like a themer looking for a developer, or
> a developer looking for a hoster. So, if you do want to support job
> posts, what is acceptable?
>
> This may also lead into a more detailed discussion of general
> guidelines for this list I guess, but I think this is a specific issue
> that should have a clear answer.
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
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