[consulting] American Labour Laws & Future of Labour

[Jeff Greenberg]

Sorry...I thought that I had simply hit reply instead of reply all, and 
forwarded it to the list to remedy that

On 08/21/2010 03:54 PM, Eric Goldhagen wrote:
> Please reply to private, off-list posts, privately and off list.
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> --Eric
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> At 3:44 PM -0400 8/21/10, Jeff Greenberg wrote:
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>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [consulting] American Labour Laws&  Future of Labour
>> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:38:59 -0400 From: Jeff Greenberg
>> <mailto:jeff at ayendesigns.com><jeff at ayendesigns.com>  Organization:
>> Ayen Designs To: Eric Goldhagen
>> <mailto:eric at openflows.com><eric at openflows.com>
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>>
>> Your left must be different than ours. Our progressives (considered the
>> left of the left) identify something the state isn't in control of,
>> create a new government entity to control it, and create a taxation
>> structure to fund it... i.e. the government (and tax dept) get larger
>> with every program.
>>
>> On 08/21/2010 03:42 PM, Eric Goldhagen wrote:
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>>>   At 3:05 PM -0400 8/21/10, Jeff Greenberg wrote:
>>>        
>>>>   I don't think the thoughts represent anything new here. The extreme
>>>>   right feel that people should be free to choose (or not) everything. The
>>>>   extreme left feel that the government should provide everything or
>>>>   otherwise control it. Most people fall in between.
>>>>          
>>>   Jeff,
>>>
>>>   While I'll agree that most people fall in between, I find your
>>>   definitions of right and left to be rather inaccurate.
>>>
>>>   The extreme right wants complete control over the individual by the
>>>   state.
>>>   The extreme right views rights as being rooted from ownership,
>>>   therefor tends to make social/political decisions based on the needs
>>>   of corporate and business entities.
>>>   The extreme right views the wealth of society as something to be held
>>>   privately.
>>>   The extreme right views poverty as necessary.
>>>
>>>
>>>   The extreme left wants to abolish the state entirely, replacing it was
>>>   a more decentralized and to whatever extent possible, voluntary
>>>   participation.
>>>   The extreme left views rights as being based on an individual's
>>>   existence within and participation in society.
>>>   The extreme left views the wealth of society as belonging to all that
>>>   create it (which in general is really everyone).
>>>   The extreme left views poverty as a danger to the health of society as
>>>   a whole.
>>>
>>>   I could go on, but I'll stop there.
>>>
>>>   --Eric
>>>        
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