[consulting] American Labour Laws & Future of Labour

Sami Khan sami at etopian.net
Sat Aug 21 20:41:09 UTC 2010


On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:10:43 -0400, Jeff Greenberg <jeff at ayendesigns.com>
wrote:
> That's a fine thought, and I have no problem with anything reasonable 
> being a 'part' of society... rolling out 'more' into society, rather 
> than defining society. That said... can we look at the number of people 
> who worked on Drupal, and tell me what they were doing to eat and 
> provide for their families while developing Drupal? Did they have jobs? 
> And if so, were they private industry jobs?  Merlinofchaos, for example,

> and his brilliant work on Views, was funded by Sony...hardly a symbol of

> socialist economy.

Views did not come because of Sony. He was employed by Sony while
developing it at one time. If he was unemployed or employed by anyone else
the results would have been the same. Don't bite the hand the feeds
argument, I think also goes for slaves.

Sami


> 
> On 08/21/2010 04:14 PM, Eric Goldhagen wrote:
>> At 4:01 PM -0400 8/21/10, Jeff Greenberg wrote:
>>    
>>> The only myth I see is that I said it's an individual question. I
>>> did say you could 'all quit.'  I have no problem with people
>>> organizing and deciding to leave a company en-masse, or a company
>>> deciding to say the heck with ya, that's not how I want to run my
>>> company, and shutting. I just have a problem with the thought that
>>> the person who started the company somehow has a duty to provide
>>> -anything- including jobs. If I start a business, I can hire if I
>>> want, not hire if I don't want, give bonuses if I want, not give
>>> them if I don't want (and perhaps lose people as a result), create
>>> products if I want, make a profit if I want. And if people don't
>>> like it, they are free to use me or not for my products or
>>> employment.
>>>      
>> If all software was developed under the model you suggest (where
>> those that own have all power), we would not have the GPL nor Drupal.
>>
>> The beauty of the GPL and Drupal is that participation is where power
>> comes from, not ownership. I wish for a bright future where this
>> model is extended further into society as a whole.
>>
>> --Eric
>>    
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