[consulting] "Socialist" created value-added listforcapitalists $29.99/month; no socialist ranting

Don donald at fane.com
Mon Aug 23 00:43:16 UTC 2010 

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-Don-

On 8/22/2010 7:39 PM, Abhi Goel wrote:
> Hallelujiah!
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sami Khan<sami at etopian.net>
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> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:30:06
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> Subject: Re: [consulting] "Socialist" created value-added list for
>   capitalists $29.99/month; no socialist ranting
>
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 02:19:31 +0300, Alexei Malinovski
> <alexei at malinovski.org>  wrote:
>> Where is my popcorn???
>>
>> Seruously. Shall we stop this offtopic? :)
> Yeah. I'm done. I think everyone else is too.
>
> Sami
>
>> 2010/8/23 Frank Nikola<fnikola at cognisync.com>
>>
>>> I'm confused. What is the consulting list for? No one is trying to
> stifle
>>> free speech but just trying to determine the correct content for this
>>> list.
>>> I think that others who have asked thought the list was for another
>>> reason.
>>>
>>> Sami Khan<sami at etopian.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:23:46 -0400, "Andrew R. Kelly"
>>>> <arkelly at cognisync.com>  wrote:
>>>>> +1.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We're abandoning this list if this doesn't stop.
>>>> Us "socialists" are forming a for-pay service (mailing list) for all
> the
>>>> capitalists who don't wish to discuss important social issues on this
>>> list.
>>>> It costs $29.95 per month. It has none of this socialist ranting
> against
>>>> the virtues of capitalism that you don't want to read and only answers
>>> your
>>>> questions.
>>>>
>>>> It also has a nice monetized cost associated with it, because we wish
> to
>>>> extract every dollar of value from all the value we add to your life.
>>>> Our
>>>> costs to house and feed ourselves and our families are rather massive,
>>>> and
>>>> we would like to do that.
>>>>
>>>> All of us socialists who answer your questions for FREE also enjoy our
>>>> FREE speech; aint that a bitch?
>>>>
>>>> If you want a capitalist list, we would be happy to provide one for a
>>>> nice
>>>> fat fee! Else, quit trying to stifle free speech or leave. We are
>>> competent
>>>> enough to help ourselves... We created Drupal, we write the code, we
>>>> know
>>>> our shit!
>>>>
>>>> Sami
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: consulting-bounces at drupal.org
>>>> [mailto:consulting-bounces at drupal.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of David Hazel
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:17 PM
>>>>> To: sami.khan at etopian.com; A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal
>>>>> service/hosting providers
>>>>> Subject: Re: [consulting] American Labour Laws&  Future of Labour
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Heinz you've been misinformed regarding this list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not the "consulting" forum.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the "my country/government/social agenda/values" are better
> than
>>>> your
>>>>> "country/government/social agenda/values" rant forum.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But don't feel bad, I think most of us inadvertently signed up to
> the
>>>> wrong
>>>>> list. Maybe someone should fix the title.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But that's just my delusional two cents (or whatever the appropriate
>>>>> denomination for your preferred currency is).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Sami Khan<sami at etopian.net>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:30:37 -0400, "Heinz D. Wegener"
>>>>> <heinz at simplexcreative.com>  wrote:
>>>>>> It's amazing to me how much this "consulting" forum is used to
> debate
>>>>>> socialism vs. capitalism. Socialism is completely counter-intuitive
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> being a consultant. Being a consultant implies that you are
>>>>>> interested
>>>>> in
>>>>>> finding jobs that will make you money so that you can support your
>>>>> family.
>>>>>> You are participating in capitalism. This hatred of corporations is
>>>>>> foolishness. Success is not evil. Profit is not evil.
>>>>> If the world was as simple as you make it out to be, and all these
>>>>> ideas
>>>>> and thoughts can simply be resolved by consulting a few history
> books
>>>> and
>>>>> chanting some mantras about how great everything is... then I might
>>>> agree
>>>>> with you. The real world is a complex place, if you look around a
> bit
>>>>> outside of your own life and maybe your circle of friends -- or if
> you
>>>> have
>>>>> ever been down on your luck, you would understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> The US has a large underclass, approximately 40 million people;
> these
>>>>> people live below the poverty line. The ideas and the policies are
>>>> largely
>>>>> to blame for these people being put in their position and not being
>>>>> "successful". Profits are not the problem, but when 30% of the
> economy
>>>> is
>>>>> based on financial products for simply allocating money, something
> is
>>>>> definitely wrong there.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the things continue to go the way that they have been, this
>>>> underclass
>>>>> will grow and there is no guarantee that you or someone you care
> about
>>>>> won't end up in it. Entrepreneurship is contingent upon the economy,
>>>>> and
>>>>> the economy is contingent upon the middle class for people such as
>>>>> yourself. Supporting policies that increase the size of the middle
>>>>> class
>>>>> and make sure that they have enough money, guarantee that there are
>>>>> opportunities to be had. That's the basics. Beyond that there are
>>>> questions
>>>>> of morality. Is success for some necessary, sure. But to what
> extent?
>>>>> Unlimited profits? What if that means that the size of the
> underclass
>>>>> grows, from 40 million to say 80 million or above. Is that a good
> way
>>>>> to
>>>>> support "success"?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are some who simply debate to win... that is not the aim here.
>>>>> The
>>>>> aim is to explore where one stands and see where there are in
> relation
>>>> to
>>>>> everyone else. In doing that we create possibilities for futures,
>>>>> rather
>>>>> than leaving that task to those who are "successful"... because all
>>>>> that
>>>>> they want is to be more "successful". Which means that they want the
>>>>> underclass size to grow.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are simply self-concerned with your life, and because things are
>>>> good
>>>>> for you and those that you care about, you rather ignore that there
>>>>> are
>>>> any
>>>>> problems... That sort of reactive auto-control approach is what put
> us
>>>> in
>>>>> the economic situation that we are in right now.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> My father and his family did not emigrate from Germany to America
> to
>>>>>> experience despair and normalcy. They came with hope, and they had
>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>> They were hard working people with a desire to succeed in one of
> the
>>>>> best
>>>>>> countries in the world. My father was 6-years-old when they came to
>>>> this
>>>>>> country. He worked his ass off with the goal of becoming successful
>>>>>> and
>>>>> was
>>>>>> motivated to do so partially because kids would call him a Nazi in
>>>>> school
>>>>>> just for being from Germany. And guess what? He succeeded. And
> guess
>>>>> what
>>>>>> else? He is the most generous, giving man I know, and has an
> amazing
>>>>> heart
>>>>>> for people. There's your evil capitalist.
>>>>> The Germans are doing fine at this point. So you would be fine
> whether
>>>> you
>>>>> were in the US or in Germany; probably better if they are from West
>>>>> Germany. Anecdotes like this about the reaffirmation of American
> Dream
>>>> tell
>>>>> us nothing about the actual situation on the ground. Certain
>>>>> statistics
>>>>> paint a different picture. The truth lies somewhere in between.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want some anecdotes of people who are not as lucky as you or
>>>>> your
>>>>> family, look here:
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/invisiblepeopletv
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> My father-in-law experienced the same type of success after his
>>>>>> family
>>>>>> fled from Cuba. Both he and my father both become owners of
>>>>>> successful
>>>>>> companies. With socialism comes the death of that hope that most
>>>>> immigrants
>>>>>> had back in the 40's and 50's and still have today.
>>>>> I think that hope is dead already and it's because of the financial
>>>>> banksters, who are motivated by capitalism. It may be the case that
>>>> those
>>>>> times are gone for good and we will have to settle for some more
>>>>> social
>>>>> solutions or else face being in the underclass of capitalism.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Study your history, and
>>>>>> learn the truth yourself. Entrepreneurs were, and continue to be,
>>>>>> some
>>>>> of
>>>>>> the primary contributors to America's success.
>>>>> I am happy for your family. I also don't support totalitarian Cuba,
> or
>>>> any
>>>>> totalitarian socialist economy.
>>>>>
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