[consulting] Suggestion for Dries and Moderators: New Politics List

[Therese Kells]

Hi Adam,

While I agree that we have gotten off topic a bit. I do feel like I know the
folks out there a little better and as a result feel safer asking questions.
It's been fun.

Thanks,
Therese

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Adam Mordecai <mordecai at advomatic.com>wrote:

> While the back and forth on wether or not Socialism or Communism or
> Capitalism or Pastafarianism is the most evil thing ever is quite engaging,
> I'd like to remind everyone why this list was created in the first place by
> Dries:
>
> http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/consulting/2005-December/000000.html
>
> a new mailing list has been created: consulting at drupal.org, a mailing
> list for Drupal consultants, Drupal service providers, Drupal hosting
> providers, etc.  As most of you know, there is large demand for
> Drupal consultants; pretty much every Drupal consultant is maxed
> out.  *This list aims to connect Drupal consultants, to share ideas  *
> *and experience amongst Drupal consultants, to obtain feedback from  *
> *Drupal consultants, and hopefully, to grow the number of Drupal  *
> *consultants. * (This is not a support mailing list.  It is a
> "consultant to consultant" mailing list.)
>
> So essentially this is a place to talk shop, refer clients to each other,
> share sites and discuss best practices,* not to debate the nuances of
> various political philosophies.  *Every other week, a few noisy players
> clog the list with noise, not changing ANYONES minds. Both sides go home
> with the same view, and the rest of us who are here to talk shop end up
> getting annoyed and consider more and more leaving the list.  It has no
> relevance to what this list is supposed to be about and is not appropriate.
> *This is not persecuting free speech, this is called staying on topic.  *If
> you went in the Drupal Dev IRC room and never stopped talking about how
> awesome the latest Britney Spears album is, chx would kick you out, not
> because he hates your ideas (though he probably does), but because its not
> appropriate to talk about Britney's awesome new album there. The appropriate
> place for that is #drupal-crappypopmusic.
> *
> *
> For example, appropriate discussion would be:
>
>    1. Where can I find healthcare as a US freelancer?
>    2. Does anyone know a good insurance broker for liability and
>    healthcare?
>    3. How would you handle a client who has done A B or C?
>    4. What are some best practices for how to decide my rates?
>    5. Which countries would be best for a consultant to move to to gain
>    the most benefits while at the same time be able to make the most money?
>
>
> For example, inappropriate discussion would be:
>
>    1. Everything that has been ranted about over and over for the last 3
>    months about socialism vs capitalism. We get it. You know the true way. Yay
>    you.
>
>
> *I would like to ask Dries to appoint some moderators, and also perhaps
> create a second list, the list could be called Drupal Politics*. On that
> list, you could talk about how Capitalism is evil, how socialism kills
> babies, or anything else regarding social policy that has no immediate
> effect on individual consultants tangible takeaways. (Yes the policies of
> various countries do have an effect on all of us, but this is not the list
> to organize around legislative policies.) We are here to learn from each
> other about how to improve our business practices and improve Drupal, not
> organize a revolution and topple regimes.
>
> I will gladly volunteer to moderate this list and move all political
> discussions to the politics list.
>
> In the first thread, I will talk about how capitalism is awesome, but sucks
> without unions. And how I want universal healthcare.
>
> And then we can start making this list grow again, with actual intelligent
> discussion about how to make our businesses and Drupal better.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam Mordecai, Partner
> Advomatic, LLC
> http://advomatic.com
> Drupal Development, Managed Hosting & Maintenance
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>
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