[consulting] Failed Outsourcing Job

[Andrew Mallis]

If the job is 85% done and you want the work, pay 85% of the price.

Your time and frustration are not a dollar value you can arbitrarily tax.

You don't deserve anything. 

That's why you are paying people to do your bidding.


Andrew Mallis
[c] 650-796-7476

On Feb 28, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Jim Tarvid <tarvid at ls.net> wrote:

> Might be a job for an arbitrator/mediator. Lots of wisdom in this
> thread. Probably grounds for a decent article/book chapter
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Andrew F <andrewfriedman101 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I wish I could "like" some of these responses as in a facebook like.
>> 
>> If the tables were reversed what would you expect?  You would expect to get
>> paid for your time.
>> Pay the man for his work.  If he did 80% pay him 400 dollars (80% of the
>> 500) and finish the project up yourself.
>> 
>> The real issue here is communications.   As the project manager how is it
>> that you failed to communicate effectively with your contractor.  Your job
>> is to recognize problems before they get big.  If someone is asking for
>> reviews and not understanding, Then its time to fire up skype and clarify
>> things.
>> 
>> Bottom line, a few hundred bucks is not going to make or brake anyone.
>> Care a little more, do the right thing and it will come back to you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Doug Johnson <doug at asknice.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just to step away from the ethical part of this...unless you have a work
>>> for hire agreement (and the for hire part would include paying) the copy
>>> right for that work is, at least in the US, assumed to live with the
>>> creator.
>>> In the beginning it did sound like there might have been an agreement, but
>>> not a contract. If you have nothing that says that you have the right to use
>>> his work, you actually don't have the right to use that work. Interestingly,
>>> even if you paid him in full, if you didn't have something in writing that
>>> gave you the rights to use it, you still wouldn't be able to use it.
>>> So, for better or worse, you are on the short end of this stick UNLESS you
>>> have a written agreement that states that you get the rights you need on
>>> "such and such" a date, regardless of the payment. I'm guessing you don't
>>> have that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:47 PM, James Porter <jameslporter at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sounds like spec / expectations were not clear.
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 28, 2013 12:37 PM, "Marty Rynearson" <marty at rynearson.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> +1 on what Jeff said. If I ever made a 100% payment upon completion
>>>>> contract ( which I would never do) I would make it on my own server. Upon
>>>>> approval and payment the theme would then be transferred.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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