[development] One core, many distributions
dan at drob.org
Wed Nov 23 18:49:14 UTC 2005
>> No, no, and no. The "community" (I hate that word) is not the reason
>> d'etre for Drupal or the reason why anybody would develop for it.
>> The reason is to get stuff done for our own needs. You are free to
>> use it, too. But that's it.
> This is shocking for me to read. Seriously. I neve intended to offend
> people with my lame jokes about geekatude but this comment is ...
> well ... wow.
Don't be shocked - there is no overall agreement about what this project
is or whom it is for. Gerhard has his opinions. I happen to disagree
with him that "The "community" (I hate that word) is not the reason
d'etre for Drupal or the reason why anybody would develop for it." -
but I get to have my own opinion.
> But most activist community sites in the US are going the route of
> Scoop. It took just one person, who happens to be also the owner of
> the largest political community site in the US, to make the decision
> of Drupal vs. Scoop and he went the route of Scoop for 2 reasons :
> it's support and vendor communities.
This doesn't mean that Scoop is a better product, that it has better
support or that there is a stronger vendor community. From what I could
tell Kos went with Scoop because people in his social network thought it
would be a good idea.
> Do you see a pattern here?
well yes this is the description of a pattern - but I'm not sure where
the data is coming from. We all have our perceptions of where thing are
going. In my view Scoop is a minor player (in terms of market acceptance)
> Scoop, MovableType and WordPress are gaining big chunks of market
> share (especially in publishing) in the US while Drupal/CivicSpace is
> on tentative ground due in part to the dichotomy between the
> development and the marketing of Drupal.
I'm not sure how you arrive at "Drupal/CivicSpace is on tentative
ground"... MoveableType - Drupal is not - yet.
> I am the only blogger from the top 100 moving to CivicSpace at the
> moment. MediaGirl runs a Drupal site (not CivicSpace). Bob Brigham of
> Swing State Project (another top 100) started a site on CivicSpace
> but that's another short-term campaign site. In this case the
> campaign is www.scalito.org. He was converted to CivicSpace in part
> by me. Epluribus Media, a citizen journalism site that came out of
> DailyKos, has 2 sites running : one on Scoop for their research work
> and the other one on CivicSpace for their blogging. They were
> converted to CivicSpace in part by Lynn Siprelle.
if the goal is to move Drupal into the top 100 blog sites then we should
do that - in my view it would be pretty easy. That isn't the goal of
this community (I don't think that is on many people's radar).
> Yeah, a lot of you call blogs hype and all that; but the reality is
> that blogging is here to stay. If anything, you are poised to get
> more development resources with long-term political community sites
> than short-term campaigns because you'll have people who've had
> enough time to understand the product --even if they were not
> developers .
> So your disregard about community in creating a community and content
> platform is troubling.
So I think that your point of view is interesting and worthwhile - but
I'm not sure that I buy into all your assumptions and metrics.
> / liza
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