[development] Re: Patches

Frando (Franz Heinzmann) frando at xcite-online.de
Mon Jul 10 14:55:31 UTC 2006

I'm pretty sure it IS possible to create such a layout that even does 
allow clears in sub-elements.

For instance, [1] did so far always work for me.

I think we should try to get it working only with css, and if everything 
fails, a table layout is constructed in not even an hour.


[1] http://alistapart.com/articles/holygrail

Martin Tomes schrieb:
> Frando (Franz Heinzmann) wrote:
>> What about having both in one theme?
>> In other words:
>> 1. "Perfect" HTML scaffold, no tables, content structure over design,
>> can be used as a starting point by designers (and probably will nearly
>> always be used)
> I would like to caution against having no tables in the layout at all. I 
> am working on a site which I laid out with no tables, I spent many hours 
> fighting CSS because of this.  I would strongly advocate using a single 
> table to contain the left, content and right columns.
> I say this even though I am a CSS zealot and have created several non 
> CMS sites which have no tables and would do them no other way.  I ended 
> up using a single table in my design because in order to get the footer 
> in the right place the left and right columns were floated.  Once you 
> have floated columns you cannot use clear in the content because the 
> content will then clear the columns which is not what you want.  You 
> need to be able to use clear in the content so that you can float 
> multiple images to one side and have them appear under on another which 
> requires clear.
> A CMS needs to be capable of displaying whatever content a user wishes 
> to create in the content column, you cannot achieve this without using a 
> table to layout the columns.  Use XHTML 1.0/Transitional and the layout 
> will validate.
> If you use CSS for the layout then you will be putting restrictions on 
> the mark-up and CSS for the content of the nodes. You may be able to 
> live with those restrictions, but we are talking about a layout for all 
> users here and not everyone will understand the issues and many people 
> will not be able to live with the restrictions the layout imposes on the 
> content.

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