[development] So why we do support postgresql?

Edison Wong hswong3i at edin.no-ip.com
Mon Jan 21 08:14:53 UTC 2008


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And I have pointed out how meaningless of this poll once before.

Here it is http://groups.drupal.org/node/6164#comment-18064

Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
> On Jan 16, 2008 12:18 PM, Stefan Nagtegaal
> <development at robuustdesign.nl <mailto:development at robuustdesign.nl>>
> wrote:
>
>     I'm sorry to chime in on this topic which absolutely abracadabra for
>     me. I have absolutely no sense about databases at all, but a
>     consenses
>     could be to:
>     - make drupal 6 pgSQL and MySQL compatible and release the bastard;
>     - at the same day we make a poll on drupal.org
>     <http://drupal.org> asking people what
>     database type they use, and open up comments for those that choose
>     pgSQL to tell us, why they do;
>
>     That way we know:
>     - how much people are actually using pgSQL;
>     - and why they do it;
>
>
> Michelle already pointed to an existing poll that shows how many
> pgSQL users
> there are.
>
> Here it is http://groups.drupal.org/node/6164
>
>
>     Just some thought of someone who doesn't know anything about the
>     differences between MySQL and pgSQL. I personally never used the
>     latter...
>
>
>     Stefan
>
>
>     Op 16 jan 2008, om 18:05 heeft Konstantin Käfer het volgende
>     geschreven:
>
>     > Hi,
>     >
>     > Please note that with my mail, I did not imply that we should go
>     > with the option "rip out postgres support". It as merely one
>     of the
>     > ways I can see, because we can certainly afford to keep the status
>     > quo. I am actually more interested in the second approach.
>     Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-relational_mapping
>     >  as an introduction.http://propel.phpdb.org/trac/ is a nice ORM
>     > framework for this.
>     >
>     > In case we don't want to go with a full blown ORM system,
>     propel's
>     > underlying DBAL is also worth a shot:http://creole.phpdb.org/trac/
>     > I'm not saying that we should ship with Creole (even though I
>     don't
>     > think that's necessarily a bad thing), but that we can look at how
>     > others solved this issue.
>     >
>     > Konstantin Käfer -- http://kkaefer.com/
>     >
>     >
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>     >
>     > On 15.01.2008, at 20:14, Konstantin Käfer wrote:
>     >
>     >> Hi,
>     >>
>     >> I am with Károly on this one. PostgreSQL support is certainly a
>     >> nice to have feature, but since there is noone seriously using it
>     >> (NowPublic used PostgreSQL a couple of months ago but eventually
>     >> switched to MySQL), supporting it is more a hinderance than an
>     >> actual benefit for Drupal.
>     >>
>     >> Fact is that MySQL is by far the most used DBMS used with Drupal.
>     >> That has two reasons: MySQL is installed on most hosts and most
>     >> people in the PHP hosting business are familiar with setting up,
>     >> configuring and tuning MySQL.
>     >>
>     >> The second reason is that most contrib modules don't properly
>     >> support Postgres, and only few people are running a Drupal site
>     >> without several contrib modules. So, what buys us supporting
>     >> Postgres in core if you can't actually use it because critical
>     >> contrib modules don't support it properly? You guessed it. Let's
>     >> not get into the illusion that module maintainers will eventually
>     >> add Postgres support; most of them don't even have Postgres
>     >> installed and I bet most are not willing to learn yet another
>     DBMS'
>     >> innards to circumnavigate all the cliffs associated with that
>     task.
>     >>
>     >> IMO, there are two ways we could go:
>     >>
>     >> - Rip out Postgres support (but let's not drop the DBAL; we
>     need it
>     >> for mysql vs. mysqli and it's not really a speed issue)
>     >> - Completely abstract access to the database so that module
>     authors
>     >> don't have to write actual SQL code
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Konstantin Käfer -- http://kkaefer.com/
>     >>
>     >>
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>     >>
>     >> On 15.01.2008, at 19:22, Karoly Negyesi wrote:
>     >>
>     >>> Hi,
>     >>>
>     >>> Still there are no testers. I want to reiterate my plea: make
>     >>> postgresql support somewhat optional. If there are testers,
>     great,
>     >>> if
>     >>> not, go on with life. You can flame me, but this is already the
>     >>> state
>     >>> of affairs just noone wants to admit. Just see
>     >>> http://groups.drupal.org/node/6980 . Greg spoonfeeds you. I
>     know we
>     >>> will get testers for the rest of the week because of this
>     letter and
>     >>> then they will move away as it happened uncounted times.
>     >>>
>     >>> I wonder what people will say. "Monoculture is bad" -- tick,
>     do not
>     >>> bother with this answer. "You are evil" -- tick, do not bother
>     >>> either.
>     >>> "There are testers, but" -- surely there are just they have
>     hidden
>     >>> themselves really well. What about answering something
>     >>> constructive? I
>     >>> *am* bored by needing this raised every month.
>     >>>
>     >>> Regards
>     >>>
>     >>> Karoly Negyesi
>     >>
>     >
>
>
>
>
> --
> Khalid M. Baheyeldin
> 2bits.com <http://2bits.com>, Inc.
> http://2bits.com
> Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting.

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Edison Wong
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