[documentation] Contributors to docs need more public recognition

Wed May 28 16:21:52 UTC 2008

I didn't see you as challenging my authority.  I saw you as claiming I
said or meant things I had not in fact said or meant.  I asked 3
co-workers and my wife to double check my reading of your emails.

I can accept that in a language rich environment that some things
/concepts may not translate one to one as intended so we're good on
that issue.

I don't actually view it as my authority in any case.  I view it as my
responsibility.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Shai Gluskin <shai at content2zero.com> wrote:
> Fernando and all,
>
> @Fernando: "our goal could be to achieve clear solutions for getting more
> contributors."
>
> I agree. I think this thread has run its course. See the links below.
>
> @Fernando: "the spirit of OpenSource is democracy, there is not OpenSource
> without democracy."
>
> What I meant in that context was: "We don't take formal votes to make
> decisions." Also in that context, where I was challenging Steve P., the head
> of Drupal's Documentation team, I wanted to make sure he knew I wasn't
> challenging his authority. But yes, I agree with everything you said.
>
> Here are two action follow-ups that emerged from this conversation that are
> now on the issue queue:
> Proposal to give anonymous users access to revisions tab on doc pages.
> Proposal to add a block to thank current contributors and recruit new ones.
>
> Shai
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Fernando P. García <fernando at develcuy.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Shai, let me say with respect and good feeling: the spirit of OpenSource
>> is democracy, there is not OpenSource without democracy. We are not equals
>> but we all use the same: Drupal, and we all part of the same community:
>> Drupal. Nobody used a gun for moving us to collaborate. And from my personal
>> point of view: Nothing more near to the truth may become successful, because
>> Democracy is a divine principle.
>>
>> So, please notice this particular topic is near to 100 replies:
>> http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/2008-May/date.html, and our
>> goal could be to achieve clear solutions for getting more contributors.
>>
>> Blessings!
>>
>> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Shai Gluskin <shai at content2zero.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Steve P. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is not a performance question as far as I am concerned, this is a
>>>> benefit of
>>>> joining the community.
>>>
>>> @steve-p I disagree with this assertion. It suggests that one of the
>>> goals of Drupal.org is to try to get people to join the community via
>>> registering at the site. It suggests that drupal.org withholds goodies in
>>> order to get them to register.
>>>
>>> There are many legitimate reasons to hold back various functionalities
>>> from anonymous users (e.g. security, system resources etc.), but I don't
>>> believe that restricting project transparency for the sake of increasing the
>>> number of registered users at Drupal.org is a valid reason.
>>>
>>> I have been really impressed with transparency in the Drupal project. The
>>> proceedings of the project are available for public review. I find that
>>> inspiring. That kind of transparency is rare in the worlds of government,
>>> business, and sadly, non-profits as well. Leaders are typically concerned
>>> with message, spin, and control. I haven't seen much of that in Drupal. (I'm
>>> user/50259, joined in 2/06 and have gotten steadily more involved over
>>> time.)
>>>
>>> I often need to explain to people that open-source does not mean
>>> "egalitarian" -- we are not all equal in the project. And Dries as project
>>> leader has the final say on many things, especially as regards to core. It
>>> isn't a democracy. But the success of the project does rely on highly
>>> motivated people becoming involved. I believe that the significant
>>> transparency of this project is one of the motivating factors for people to
>>> become involved.
>>>
>>> The Revisions Tab is a small part of Drupal's transparency profile. But
>>> it worries me, even in this little arena, to think of access to certain
>>> information being used as a reward for registration. That feels controlling
>>> to me. It feels counter to Drupal's open approach.
>>>
>>> Shai
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steven Peck <sepeck at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We are not enabling revisions for anonymous users.  This is not a
>>>> performance question as far as I am concerned, this is a benefit of
>>>> joining the community.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 2:12 PM, catch <catch56 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> > On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Peter Wolanin
>>>> >  wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regarding making revisions available to anonymous users - you'd
>>>> >> better
>>>> >> talk to Gerhard and Narayan (and other infra people).  The
>>>> >> scalability
>>>> >> problem might be that you've essentially doubled the number of
>>>> >> handbook pages that will be spidered.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > If we excluded *revisions* in robots.txt we could probably avoid the
>>>> > spidering. That's probably one post subdomain-split anyway.
>>>> >
>>>> > http://drupal.org/handbook/updates was exactly the page I meant,
>>>> > couldn't
>>>> > place it when I typed the e-mail. Ta!
>>>> >
>>>> > Nat
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>>
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