[themes] Re: Not easy, but still great

[Øivind Binde]

Yes, I agree with Adrian here. Drupal may not be the greatest too work
with all the time. Because of its complexity of nature. I don't know
what Kieran Lal's earlier preferences or knowledge are..Tough I have to
say you have done well on your theme there.*thumbs up*
Anyway. As I have said/asked before: Should drupal compete directly with
Wordpress? Sure, they are both "do-able" for blogs, but drupal is meant
for so much more! WP is really just a blogtool. A very good one too! I
kinda see Drupal as a framework, a framework that scales good and gives
me the flexibility that I need from a CMS(as a developer). So here is my
real deal, should Drupal just let WP handle the bloggers, so Drupal can
deal with community building and complex websites? I think so.
Today I have no problem theming with PHPtemplate. Wrap some divs around
here and there, then do your magic with the CSS!
Now that phptemplate kinda have grown on too me, I really like theming
my sites by code. Since many WYSIWYG-editors tends too live their own
lifes by throwing in random code here and there.
As for PHPtemplate2.0, everything can be improved! ;)

Sorry for my bad english sometimes.
regards morphir

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>    1. although it?s a very powerful CMS, I didn?t have the greatest
>       time with it as it came to be one of the most cumbersome and
>       roundabout pieces of software... (Kieran Lal)
>    2. Re: although it?s a very powerful CMS, I didn?t have the
>       greatest time with it as it came to be one of the most cumbersome
>       and roundabout pieces of software... (Adrian Simmons)
>    3. Re: although it?s a very powerful CMS, I didn?t have the
>       greatest time with it as it came to be one of the most cumbersome
>       and roundabout pieces of software... (B?r Kessels)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:36:11 -0700
> From: Kieran Lal <kieran at civicspacelabs.org>
> Subject: [themes] although it?s a very powerful CMS, I didn?t have the
> 	greatest time with it as it came to be one of the most cumbersome and
> 	roundabout pieces of software...
> To: "themes at drupal.org theme developers" <themes at drupal.org>
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> "It was also my first chance to play with Drupal. Unfortunately,  
> although it’s a very powerful CMS, I didn’t have the greatest time  
> with it as it came to be one of the most cumbersome and roundabout  
> pieces of software I’ve ever worked with."
>
> http://avalonstar.com/2006/06/13/flocks-home-gets-a-makeover/
>
> Anyone want to follow up and get some feedback?
>
> Kieran
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> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:22:23 +0100
> From: Adrian Simmons <adrinux at perlucida.com>
> Subject: Re: [themes] although it?s a very powerful CMS, I didn?t have
> 	the greatest time with it as it came to be one of the most cumbersome
> 	and roundabout pieces of software...
> To: A list for theme developers <themes at drupal.org>
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> Kieran Lal wrote:
>   
>> Anyone want to follow up and get some feedback?
>>     
> I think the blog post tells you all you need to know:
>
> "Maybe, I’m just too used to how WordPress works."
> This is clearly someone that is used to working with a different system and 
> found wrapping their head around a new one a bit hard. Lets not forget that 
> WordPress is a blog system, Drupal is a lot more. It's always going to be a 
> bit more of a learning curve.
>
> "there’s quite a learning curve when trying to conquer those quirky nodes 
> and blocks."
> Whilst this is true changes in the theme system that are already in the 
> pipeline will radically alter that, making it much easier to conquer blocks 
> and nodes :)
>
> But whilst themeing Drupal can be made *easier*, it's never going to be 
> *easy* to set up and theme large or medium sized websites, not if you want 
> to do it well.
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