[consulting] Suggestion for Dries and Moderators: New Politics List

[Sami Khan]

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:55:35 -0700, Kevin Davison <kevin at quevin.com>
wrote:
> Andrew, I think this is the right idea. Trolls need to be moderated,
> especially when the topic is not what we agree to discuss.

Who are we? I mean there are people here with agendas and you have already
shown that you have a very strong agenda. So now we are referring to name
calling?


> 
> Weeks ago, I referred a prospect looking for help to this list, and I
> recently saw them asking how to be removed. They were expecting to join
a
> list to get consulting help, not to get flamed with political rantings.
> This list has lost a potential client looking for services, so consider
> that.

This list is for consultants, no for for clients looking for help.

> 
> You are losing business. Plus, I'm removing myself from this list now. I
> will no longer be seeking paid help from this list. At least not until I
> hear that the list is moderated so it becomes useful again.

Seeking paid help? Who are you paying? The help we provide is for free.
This is a consultant-consultant list. Not a list to find clients, not a
list for employer-consultant. We are equals here.



> 
> Goodbye
> 
> On Aug 23, 2010, at 08:03 AM, Andrew R. Kelly wrote:
> 
>> This is a rock-solid response.  Therefore I fully expect a rebuttal :(.

>> We
>> (meaning my small band of drupaleers) enjoy this list and in fact
>> promote it
>> as a feature of Drupal in our value points to clients as we battle
>> commercial software packages.  If a prospect decides to look under the
>> hood
>> and stumbles onto threads like we've had recently that won't be pretty.
>> 
>> C'mon folks let's keep our eyes on the target - building Drupal market
>> share
>> one gig at a time, using the power of community to combat commercial
>> solutions.
>> 
>> Thx Adam.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: consulting-bounces at drupal.org
>> [mailto:consulting-bounces at drupal.org]
>> On Behalf Of Adam Mordecai
>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:22 AM
>> To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers
>> Cc: sami.khan at etopian.com
>> Subject: Re: [consulting] Suggestion for Dries and Moderators: New
>> Politics
>> List
>> 
>> Yea, hilariously, last night I wrote an extremely rude email in
response
>> to
>> Sami's really rude email, and it got moderated (due to size
limitations)
>> and
>> I've cancelled it this morning because it didn't further the
>> conversation,
>> just made me feel better.
>> 
>> Alex I've joined your group and will gladly track down people who might
>> want
>> or be able to support it. These kinds of emails suggesting resources
and
>> tangible things you can do are exactly the kind of thing that DO add to
>> the
>> conversation. 
>> 
>> Again what I meant to say by moderation wasn't that every post has to
be
>> approved, just that when the discussion gets way out in the weeds a
>> moderator can chime in with best practices and resources and ask people
>> to
>> move it off list. Then if someone continues to disregard that, they
>> could be
>> put on probation or booted if they can't play well with others. Sami
>> posted
>> 48 different emails this month to the list (18% of total list traffic)
>> only
>> around 8 of which actually were not related to the original political
>> thread
>> and about consulting. I just think a little common sense and respect
for
>> other people's time would make things work better around here.
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 23, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Alex Rollin wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Adam,
>> 
>> I'd like to add in that I was inspired by the conversation to go do
>> documentation about how Drupal Workers could form a cooperative.
>> 
>> http://groups.drupal.org/drupal-worker-cooperative
>> 
>> We've had a number of folks join the group and I hope you will, too.
>> 
>> I don't think that prohibiting all "organizing related" traffic is your
>> intention with moderation.
>> 
>> It's still permitted to link link link(?):
>> http://groups.drupal.org/drupal-worker-cooperative
>> 
>> Linking this within the list is appropriate, no?  To post links about
>> discussions on GDO that we see as relevant but tangential, yes?
>> 
>> Perhaps, then, if this is okay, then what we have here is a bit of
>> etiquette.  You can use the list to link to tangential and relevant
>> things
>> on GDO?
>> 
>> Then it is up to everyone else to hold back the impulse to jump in and
>> make
>> the thread grow.  Instead, head over to the link?  Can we self-moderate
>> around something like this?
>> 
>> Alex
>> 
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