[support] Which one is preferable - Drupal 6 OR Drupal 7
Victor Kane
victorkane at gmail.com
Mon Feb 21 21:22:08 UTC 2011
Larry, I think you misunderstand the point. The point is not whether Drupal
7 is ready for hot shot Drupal agencies to use for high-end clients using a
team of rocket scientists.
Or whether Drupal 7 was hurried out the door to satisfy the business models
of some companies.
The point is whether regular people, site builders with no special core
experience, would be able to find Drupal 7 usable, just as when WordPress
comes out and is generally usable as advertised.
Nick isn't even saying it's the only valid approach, he's saying that's the
one he is following; and I certainly agree with him.
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com.ar
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 5:58 PM, larry at garfieldtech.com <
larry at garfieldtech.com> wrote:
> Again, I have to disagree. A lot of bugs were downgraded from critical
> because critical was being abused for "really bad" rather than "Drupal
> doesn't work at all if this isn't fixed", which is what it is supposed
> to be for.
>
> Eg, an issue that affects installation of the database under certain
> configurations of Mac OS X due to a misconfiguration bug in OS X is
> certainly bad, and prevents people in those configurations from
> installing Drupal without fixing the configuration bug first. However,
> it doesn't mean that Drupal breaks in all or even most circumstances.
> (That's an actual bug that was downgraded from critical at one point.)
>
> Consider too that Drupal 6 as of right now has over 350 critical issues
> filed against it:
>
> http://drupal.org/project/issues/drupal?priorities=1&version=6.x
>
> So I guess Drupal 6 isn't ready for production either. ;-)
>
> I'm not saying that Drupal 7 is bug-free. It's not. It is, however,
> the most "ready" .0 release of Drupal, both for core and contrib, in
> many many years. People have been launching sites on it large and small
> for six months, including the US government.
>
> --Larry Garfield
>
> On 2/21/11 2:48 PM, Nick Young wrote:
> > The menu bug i mentioned is filed, and was actually listed as critical
> > prior to the D7 launch. Due to the nature of it, there were a few
> > concurrent bugs that were filed with this same symptom...it just took a
> > while for the root cause to be identified. http://drupal.org/node/942782
> >
> > My biggest concern about D7 though, is that in the lead-up to the
> > January launch, critical bugs were downgraded, seemingly to meet the
> > deadline. Instead of keeping to the "we'll release D7 when all critical
> > bugs are fixed," it became "we'll reclassify critical bugs as major,
> > which means we can now release D7." This was never more evident to me
> > than the comment on that bug thread above which said "I can see this is
> > nasty if you run into it, but I don't see how it is critical."
> >
> > I don't want to hijack this thread though, as there is a good discussion
> > to be had about what sites or projects are suited to D7's current state.
> > I just think that this particular bug is representative of the larger
> > issue surrounding how "ready" Drupal 7 is for production sites (ie: it's
> > not).
> >
> > --Nick
> >
> > ...........................................................
> > *Nick Young*
> > Outreach, Communications & Consulting
> > Office of Information Technology
> > North Carolina State University
> > Box 7109, Raleigh 27695
> > Ph. 919.513.2716 | E-Mail: nick_young at ncsu.edu <mailto:
> nick_young at ncsu.edu>
> > Web: oitdesign.ncsu.edu <http://oitdesign.ncsu.edu/>
> > ...........................................................
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:30 PM, larry at garfieldtech.com
> > <mailto:larry at garfieldtech.com> <larry at garfieldtech.com
> > <mailto:larry at garfieldtech.com>> wrote:
> >
> > The menu system was broken in the extreme in Drupal 6, too, just in
> > different ways. :-) You should see the number of menu system hack
> > modules that were still being developed even late in Drupal 6's
> > lifecycle.
> >
> > Is there an open issue for the bug you mention? If not, have you
> filed
> > one? Bugs don't fix themselves. We need everyone's help to get a
> > system as complex as Drupal really really polished.
> >
> > --Larry Garfield
> >
> > On 2/21/11 2:18 PM, Nick Young wrote:
> > > one of the big things that has frustrated me with Drupal 7, is
> > that the
> > > custom menu system is broken.
> > >
> > > By this, I mean that if you build/use a custom menu (anything
> > other than
> > > the pre-defined menus of Primary/Secondary etc), then menus will
> not
> > > work as expected. The problem is that Drupal 7 does not assign the
> > > correct/necessary "active-trail" attribute to custom menu items,
> and
> > > therefore child items will not expand as you click through a menu.
> > >
> > > IE: If you have a menu with parent items, you expect to be able
> > to click
> > > on those parent items and have the children expand/display. This
> > doesn't
> > > happen. It only happens for the menus that are part of a base
> > install.
> > >
> > > This is just one example, but a pretty major reason why Drupal 7
> > is not
> > > ready for prime-time. Sure, you could install a patch, or one of
> > the few
> > > modules that fix or override this bug, but why should you have to
> > > install a module to do something that should work in the core?
> > I'm not
> > > asking for new functionality, just make it work the same way as
> > it did
> > > in Drupal 6.
> > >
> > > I'm sure there are other examples of things that were ignored or
> > > downgraded in the rush to launch Drupal 7 in January, but this is
> the
> > > main one that is preventing me from rolling out any new Drupal
> sites.
> > > When the bugs are fixed that make the core functionality of Drupal
> 6
> > > work in Drupal 7, then I'll be moving quickly to D7....because
> other
> > > than these bugs, it really is a very nice improvement, which i am
> > very
> > > thankful for.
> > >
> > > ...........................................................
> > > *Nick Young*
> > > Outreach, Communications & Consulting
> > > Office of Information Technology
> > > North Carolina State University
> > > Box 7109, Raleigh 27695
> > > Ph. 919.513.2716 | E-Mail: nick_young at ncsu.edu
> > <mailto:nick_young at ncsu.edu> <mailto:nick_young at ncsu.edu
> > <mailto:nick_young at ncsu.edu>>
> > > Web: oitdesign.ncsu.edu <http://oitdesign.ncsu.edu>
> > <http://oitdesign.ncsu.edu/>
> > > ...........................................................
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