On Jul 18, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Gabor Hojtsy wrote:
Nope. A lot of people work here to set up sites and then leave to others to administer. Then those admins use what they got. So they have never bothered downloading the site software, they might not even know that they are administering a Drupal based site. Admins is not the right terminology, it only assumes ongoing maintanance IMHO.
maybe. if you think so, please propose a better terminology, instead. ;) however, i think your distinction doesn't matter that much... if someone is a "site admin" "site maintainer", whatever you want to call it, they've got access to [site]/admin/* (note the URL, that's what i'm talking about when i say "our existing terminology...") and things we do (like the settings page re-org) will effect them, even if they don't necessarily use the word "drupal". they're an "admin" IMHO. not all "admins" necessarily download and install the software themselves. some have a working, basic site handed to them by a drupal hosting service, others by a consultant/web designer/etc. i don't really care. if they mess around in [site]/admin/*, have power to ban/approve users, do administrative stuff, etc, they're an "admin"... if you really want to split out the sub-group of admins that install their own site from the ones that have it handed to them by a consultant or hosting company, you could add a 4th term to my list: "site builder" (or something). so, you'd have: developer site builder admin user would that make you happier? true, some changes only effect site builders and not admins, so in the interest of avoiding ambiguity, i suppose that 4th classification could be helpful. and, i guess that themeing and "designing" is a layer that usually lives between developer and admin, so that's another group of folks to lump in as "site builders". that said, my goal is to use concise terminology, so if you're talking about a change that only matters for people doing themeing, you can just say so... i still think "user" means "end-user-of-the-drupal-site", i.e. what the majority of us are in relation to drupal.org[1], not just dries/ steven/killes since they "downloaded drupal and installed the site" (vast oversimplification, just trying to make the point)... thanks, -derek [1] yes, obviously some of us have some limited "admin" rights on drupal.org, e.g. to admin content, but that's not the main idea. obviously, there are MANY shades of grey. i'm just talking about the big picture.