All- I received a private note from Larry Garfield this morning based on something I posted online, so it's time to make it more public. Jonah Braun, who is on Joomla's security team and the 1,5 core team works in my office. When I came back from DrupalCON, I toid him that Rasmus had asked Drupal to drop support for PHP4. Jonah immediately took to the idea, and here's what he saw as the challenges. Two problems with dropping PHP4 support: 1) Many hosts (including mine) only support 4.x 2) If one project (Drupal) drops it but the other doesn't (Joomla), the audience (both developers and users) may abandon the project that drops PHP4. Jonah's modest proposal: An agreement to set a release version (or date) where major PHP-based projects drop PHP4 support. Larry, always ambitious, suggested that we get WordPress and Galley involved, too. I can very clearly see the advantage to projects setting an arbitrary date (say, January 1, 2008) after which we don't officially support PHP4. THis wouldn't say that we try to break PHP4, simply that new feature development (and patch support and security updates) require PHP 5. So consider this a modest proposal to get folks thinking about how to move forward together. I already passed Larry on to Jonah to see who might make that decision on the Joomla side. - Ken Rickard agentrickard