Actually Ber, you bring up a very valid point. Why does Drupal ship with drupal.css and etc? Isn't that just a file for themers to use? Why should they have to write overrides to get that crud out if they don't want it? Shouldn't it be the other way around, write a file to include it if they so desire? I think all of that stuff in misc/ should be moved into the themes folder. Bluemarine should be expanded (and the other default themes) to make use of drupal.css. There should be a new 'shared' folder under themes for the JS files in core that themes can make use of if they desire. That way, I can create theme ABC and if I want to use any of those JS files, I can. If it turns out I can't stand resizable textareas, no worries, only the bluemarine makes use of it, I don't have to tell my theme to load that JS file. That makes the most sense to me and would really help Drupal out, in all areas by seperating things further and requiring less, but still having a great out of the box experience. ted