John VanDyk wrote:
I think people are confusing core with distribution.
People are confusing a lot of things.
The node/id system is simple, effective, and the best way to have nodes with unique ids at the highest performance.
Whatever aliasing system you use (path, pathauto, supermegahoochypath) should be optional. If by "part of core" people mean the core distribution and that means it's a disablable module that is well-maintained, great. If by "part of core" people mean it's the new standard for identifying all nodes, no way.
Liza makes some good points, and we should be mature enough to recognize the points she makes and ignore her offensive style instead of lashing back, which accomplishes nothing.
Heh, you have no idea; it gives a lot of pleasure and relieves tension to wield the clue bat. My blood pressure is at an all time low.
Yes, Drupal has a marketing problem.
Does it? Somebody recently did a google query and found 60000 Drupal sites. He probably missed half of them since he used an English search string.
Yes, most of us don't care about that and feel that if she thinks Drupal has a marketing problem she should start marketing Drupal and get involved with decision making, and maybe roll her own easy-to-use distribution (maybe pathauto will even be on by default!). Or maybe she could fund implementation of session remembrance.
In any case she should keep it off this list, since it is not development related.
She is also right that 4.7 is going to be a lot of work for a lot of people without a lot of tangible benefit and we should recognize that (I know I do). I don't have a problem with that if we are steadily working towards best practices in everything. 4.7 is an example of best practices with forms, since they are now (more) secure.
So what are you trying to say? I don't get it. Nobody forces people to upgrade the same moment that 4.7 is released. They can take their own time, set up a test site, and migrate once they are ready. We will be providing security patches for 4.6 until 4.8 will be available. So they probably have at the very least half a year from now. And if they don't want to upgrade at all, they can even do that. And if they don't want to do updates, they will need to get a nice hosting provider which runs their Drupal for them and makes updated modules available, etc. Plenty of possibilities. Cheers, Gerhard