I'd like to make an observation without getting into the middle of either the sandbox debate or the version control system debate: Observation: A version control system that provided better support than CVS for actions such as renaming files and directories, or moving a file or subtree from one directory to another, would provide more options (or more workable options) to the sandbox problem. In particular, moving something from /sandbox/mycruftymodule to /contributions/modules/mynewmodule can become an easy, reasonable thing to do. Now I know that there have already been debates over moving off CVS and, if so, which system to move to. I don't know how to make progress on that discussion or avoid it turning into another rathole (as the sandbox debate is rapidly doing). I'm merely pointing this out as a single data point: The sandbox discussion would be different if the version control system were different. I'll let the people who've been through that other debate decide when to reopen it, at which point this debate could be used as a case study. Gary