On the subject of nice DHTML tools, I am quite comfortable with contribs using 3rd-party libraries - as long as everything degrades it's not mission-critical IMO. Putting CCK aside, the form-builder we are discussing is quite straight-forward (if time-consuming) simply because of formapi and AJAX. Where I hesitate is that there are a number of contrib modules surfacing that implement different DHTML libraries. Can I request that the drupal old-school recommend a "preferred" library? This would make way for a module that does nothing more than implement a full javascript library. Cool! I think what jjeff has done so far with S/P Ajax is a great start. Is it possible that this is put forward as the recommended AJAX implementation for other modules to use? I think this would provide a better focal point for cool stuff than what I currently see in the community. sime