On Jul 18, 2006, at 7:28 AM, Gerhard Killesreiter wrote:
If I write "user" in a Drupal development context, I always mean the person that downloads drupal-4.7.x.tar.gz, installs it, and creates the site. The users of said site are that site's users not Drupal's.
not to pick a fight about terminology, but i think this is misleading... ;) we, the drupal developers, should be concerned about the usability of drupal for both of these sets of "users". i think it's more consistent to call the end-users of drupal sites "users" and the people who download and install drupal the "admins". that's how it breaks down for them, that's the basic terminology within drupal itself, and i think that's how most of us already talk about things. of course, there are different kinds of "admins" (i.e. someone who knows nothing about php and installs drupal via a packaged installer vs. a developer who sets up a site out of a cvs workspace), but i'm less concerned about that distinction, and "developer" vs. "power admin" vs. "novice admin", etc, would easily get the point across if you needed to be specific. the only reason i raise it is that i'd be wary of any mindset or terminology choice that tends to push end-users-of-drupal-sites off the radar of the development community, since we have to make drupal "easier" for them, along with admins (and, as dries and others have pointed out, us developers, too). On Jul 18, 2006, at 8:35 AM, Gerhard Killesreiter wrote:
Hmm, it /might/ be I misread Greg's comment. :p
right, no harm done. ;) i'm just pointing out why adopting consistent terminology about something as important as this would help avoid misreading each-others proposals... especially if a major development focus for the foreseeable future will be "usability"... "usability for whom?" i'd argue all three groups (users, admins, developers) could use some lovin', and obviously different patches will effect the usability for different groups. we'll all be happier and get more done if everyone immediately understands which group(s) a given patch or proposal targets (and not just for usability, for that matter). thanks, -derek