I like the idea of splitting drupal.css up into parts based on features they implement.... that you could enable or disable through the themes interface. maybe have selectable sets of css per functionality... tabs - tabs-default.css, tabs-borderless.css, tabs-simple.css fieldsets - fieldsets-collapsible.css, fieldsets-borderless.css, fieldsets-nolegend.css icons - icons-modern.css, icons-kde.css, icons-gnome.css ajax.css - ajax-enabled.css, ajax-disabled.css colors.css fonts.css layout.css opens up smaller and more user, friendly I think. quick disable of what you don't need, easy behavior changes... not sure if all those things are possible, but it would be nice. On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 19:13 +0100, Bèr Kessels wrote:
Op vrijdag 06 januari 2006 08:46, schreef Dries Buytaert:
Ber is wrong, Neil is right. Patches do get through, just don't try to do it in one go. Stop whining about it, and start contributing patches. :) Sorry, I will not stop whining about this. People have written a lot of patches for this, most of the writers are considered themers. All of these patches are either still open, or were, in the end committed as a one-or-two line fix, instead of the proposed "lets strip all the foo, bar and more" patches.
The reason is not that Dries nor anyone else is not willing to commit the patches. Let that be clear. The reason is that everytime the time that same stupid debate comes up: Should drupal.css be there for a nice, out-of-the-box working site, or should it only provide the highly nessecary lines. We never came to any agreement there, and I think we will never come to that.
That was wat I was referring to. not to the patches per se, but to changes some patches want to make. Those changes, don't get through. Or if they did, they only fixed small thingies, they removed, for example, a no longer used line. But netto, the drupal.css file grew with 82 lines (13%) between 4.6 and now. Not exactly the thing most patches, themers and issues wanted to achieve. I still count 35 colors, 52 margins 37 paddings, 14 floats etcetc.
And yes, removing them, will render a lot of pieces of drupal less friendly, ugly or even unsuable. So removing them will make the out-of-the-box-experience bad. But a theme like CS, will fix this experience. And It will definately make a lot of themers happy.
I will be the first to spend my weekends on completely skinning that drupal.css. (in fact, i have a recent patch here, my drupal.css only 120 lines) But for now I stopped committing those (and started pointing people at the fact that this ever recurring issue is ever recurring), because it would be rejected in a discussion anyway.
Bèr