I agree we need to change core and am in the process of getting involved with that effort. However, if Dries' prediction of D7 not shipping till end of 2009, which I am fine with, means that we also need these features now for those that can not wait 1 to 2 years for that change to happen. These efforts can happen simultaneously. Waiting until D7 is finished for to do a backport also does not help us now. These efforts give us great insight into what actually needs to go into core to make it more usable and expendable so that we do not end up with a D7 version that is better than it is now but still not enough. I do not know about anyone else, but my venture in the format area through contrib is the only reason I feel comfortable to seriously join any core format effort. It also gives me the chance to test out what does and does not work both from a technical standpoint and from a usability standpoint. The better_formats module is leaps and bounds ahead of any other format module out there without the insane form_alter stuff that is present in filterbynodetype and others. -- Alan Doucette http://www.linkedin.com/in/alanio