On 31-Jul-07, at 7:35 PM, Gerhard Killesreiter wrote:
So, I don't see why charters can change, with development in #drupal-dev (and only development), then #drupal become community focused, has support, infra discussions, and everything else that is not development.
I am not going to agree to this.
I'd really prefer not either. But see? It doesn't matter what me or Gerhard think. Drupal's community changes, and always has, by the actions of its individuals. Obviously, enough people felt okay with 'taking our toys and going elsewhere' for #drupal-dev to happen in the first place; if even a fraction of those people were actively helping in #drupal make the channel more friendly to newcomers, we wouldn't be having this discussion, because the change would've already been made. One or two 'support?s' against an army of people spending hours of their time helping people with their problems would make the switch right there. If this happened, us old curmudgeons like me, who believes that IRC netiquette is an essential element of respect and shows value for other peoples' time and the culture of a community, and who believes the Drupal project is ultimately best served with #drupal being a bustling hub of development activity rather than a cluster of people who don't show this basic element of respect asking a bunch of questions that are likely already available in the handbooks, we would be forced to forget our old ways and come along for the ride. However, this isn't happening. Instead, #drupal-dev folks are staying in their corner, #drupal folks are still treating it like we always have, and the end result is dividing the traffic in #drupal, and hurting the project's face to newcomers as a whole. Since the people who founded #drupal-dev are the ones who rocked the boat, I believe it is their responsibility to steer us to our final destination. So what's it going to be? Are you guys going to hang out in #drupal and answer support questions all day? Or are you going to come back to the fold? -Angie