In the sandbox discussion, an interesting pattern has appeared. Virtually every developer who is involved with Drupal.org infrastructure at a personal level (those named in the title) want to bring order to the sandboxes and crowbar the "not projects" that live there into the new release system. Everybody else is against this. Worse, we don't seem to be moving towards agreement. Usually in a case like this, one side of the story isn't fully understood. I have to admit that I still don't understand what is so bad about the sandboxes that makes the people involved with infrastructure hate them. I use my sandbox only infrequently but am very glad it is there. The answer can't be "the code there is lousy" because that applies to at least 200 of the projects in contrib as well (a number which will rise with the new proposed changes). So what is it that makes the sandboxes a thorn in the side of the people who actually have to maintain the infrastructure? The work that goes into Drupal.org infrastructure is chronically under-appreciated, and if the sandboxes are a special burden that I (we) haven't recognized, it would help the conversation to find that out. cheers, Robert