Re: [drupal-devel] Dealing with spam (was rel=nofollow)
First of all it should be shared over a closed XML feed. We can use drupalIds and a special role to secure the ahraing (we dont want spammers to learn from our tokens).
Why closed? As previously mentioned, I'm in the process of migrating from geeklog. Geeklog's solution is the SpamX plugin. I've used this from my HTTP_REFERER stats plugin to filter HTTP_REFERER spam, and it's used by the comments system to filter spam plugins. Their approach is to use the Moveable Type system: http://www.jayallen.org/comment_spam/ Which is an open text file listing blacklisted regexps. SpamX also allows you to maintain your own individual blacklist, which is shared out to an open xml file for other geeklog sites/MT to harvest. Using a closed system working around drupal ids means you close the loop to other systems. Why not make your block list public to all, import and merge from other existing blacklists (including moveabletype, other drupal personal lists etc) and allow people to harvest your entire merged list. Keep the list big, public and contributed back to all sources. What benefit to spammers get from seeing the list? They know their site is blacklisted and buy a new domain? It'll soon be blacklisted again, plus baysean (sp) filtering in Drupal may keep the new one off anyway. Cheers, Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Why closed?
See my followup - since your blacklist is public knowledge to both trusted folks and untrusted folks, you're giving up the very information that you don't want spammers to know: how to get past your filters.
What benefit to spammers get from seeing the list? They know their site is blacklisted and buy a new domain? It'll soon be blacklisted again, plus baysean (sp) filtering in Drupal may keep the new one off anyway.
One purchase from a piece of spam mail sent to 100,000 users creates enough profit to buy a new domain, yes, and when you can buy 'em for less than $10, this doesn't really scale. The cost is not prohibitive enough. -- Morbus Iff ( you are nothing without your robot car, NOTHING! ) Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ Spidering Hacks: http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596005776/disobeycom icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus
Op donderdag 20 januari 2005 14:50, schreef mike@fuckingbrit.com:
Which is an open text file listing blacklisted regexps. SpamX also allows you to maintain your own individual blacklist, which is shared out to an open xml file for other geeklog sites/MT to harvest.
Jeremy pointed out earlier that black and whitelisting made no sense. Because of the huge amount of (open proxies) domains spammers use. The best method still is to filter on content. Bèr -- Regards, Bèr -- [ Bèr Kessels | Drupal services www.webschuur.com ]
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