Image Support in the upcoming drupal release
Hi, I am testiung drupal extensively. great ideas, really, you made a fine job there. *BUT* I need to admit, that the image handling is absolutely not acceptable at the moment. I read about I think 4 or 5 different ways to get inline images into articles. That is all "hidden" in the forums and users have to fight thru several modules to get something working that people are used to get as an out-of-the-box feature. inline, upload, img. img_assist, then complications with different other modules, inline tags showing up in taxonomy blocks, editors not working because of patches... totally unusable for "the normal user" I really like drupal. PLEASE make the image uploading thing an important issue - please tidy up that image module jungle and provide ONE working and good integrated image tool that comes with drupal core. please do not release any new drupal without that image functionality beeing at least as good and usable as in other systems around. THANKS! Drupalista
please do not release any new drupal without that image functionality beeing at least as good and usable as in other systems around.
Drupalista - you can do more to accomplish this goal than make a nice request. Even if you are not a developer you can contribute. You can mockup your ideal flow, or take screenshots from these other, better systems. You can contribute money to image module developers, or find others who do have money. We don't have the answer to this riddle. We need help.
Op donderdag 2 maart 2006 04:06, schreef Moshe Weitzman:
please do not release any new drupal without that image functionality beeing at least as good and usable as in other systems around.
Please look at inline.module. It now ships with a very nice feature to add images without any tokens, or other sillyness. Simplicity! More to follow on my blog about this soon. Bèr -- PGP ber@webschuur.com http://www.webschuur.com/sites/webschuur.com/files/ber_webschuur.asc PGP berkessels@gmx.net http://www.webschuur.com/sites/webschuur.com/files/ber_gmx.asc Gebruik geen CVS, tenzij je zeker van je zaak bent: http://help.sympal.nl/gebruik_geen_cvs_tenzij_je_zeker_van_je_zaak_bent
Good idea. It's on everyone's radar. It's absolutely not going to happen in 4.7, though. That's just the way it is at this point -- Even addinga 'no-brainer' feature would delay 4.7 further, and 4.7 without enhanced image support is still better than 4.6 without enhanced image support. --Jeff
I've modified the img_assist module to work with the gallery module to allow users to easily pick images from an embedded gallery. I know it is still extenal to core drupal, and I wish core had better image handling, but I have to make do with what I have. I'm in the process of documenting what I've done. I should have some docs ready in the next week or so. If you're interested I can be sure to mail you the details. On 3/1/06, Jeff Eaton <jeff@viapositiva.net> wrote:
Good idea. It's on everyone's radar. It's absolutely not going to happen in 4.7, though. That's just the way it is at this point -- Even addinga 'no-brainer' feature would delay 4.7 further, and 4.7 without enhanced image support is still better than 4.6 without enhanced image support.
--Jeff
-- Proud member of the KEXP cubicle army. http://www.cubiclearmy.com
Great work, Will! I look forward to reading the details on drupal.org =) -Robert Will Wyatt wrote:
I've modified the img_assist module to work with the gallery module to allow users to easily pick images from an embedded gallery. I know it is still extenal to core drupal, and I wish core had better image handling, but I have to make do with what I have.
I'm in the process of documenting what I've done. I should have some docs ready in the next week or so. If you're interested I can be sure to mail you the details.
On 3/1/06, Jeff Eaton <jeff@viapositiva.net> wrote:
Good idea. It's on everyone's radar. It's absolutely not going to happen in 4.7, though. That's just the way it is at this point -- Even addinga 'no-brainer' feature would delay 4.7 further, and 4.7 without enhanced image support is still better than 4.6 without enhanced image support.
--Jeff
-- Proud member of the KEXP cubicle army. http://www.cubiclearmy.com
Hi,
I've modified the img_assist module to work with the gallery module to allow users to easily pick images from an embedded gallery. I know it
that´s what I mean - so there are two more new image modules? Why don´t you get together and produce ONE killer-img-module? Why are there 10 different modules for image uploading and handling? Make ONE. Only ONE that works, please.
Proud member of the KEXP cubicle army. http://www.cubiclearmy.com
Sorry, are you using your image module on this site? It is a good example for a gallery that is missing the most important part: there are no big versions for the image! At least I can not see them - so what´s the point in a gallery of thumbnails??? Thanks for your attention! Drupalista
One vote to unsub this guy.
jh
These sorts of responses don't help anyone, jh.
Why don�t you get together and produce ONE killer-img-module? Why are there 10 different modules for image uploading and handling?
"You" is a community of volunteers all over the world. Rather than making demands to an already overworked group of people, a more constructive strategy is for you to contribute code or outline technical specifications about how to provide a more unified approach. If something isn't the way you like it, most likely you'll have to be the one to change it, or wait while someone else can.
Make ONE. Only ONE that works, please.
Proud member of the KEXP cubicle army. http://www.cubiclearmy.com
Sorry, are you using your image module on this site?
It is a good example for a gallery that is missing the most important part: there are no big versions for the image! At least I can not see them - so what�s the point in a gallery of thumbnails???
Thanks for your attention!
Drupalista
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Op 2-mrt-2006, om 23:45 heeft Farsheed het volgende geschreven:
One vote to unsub this guy.
jh
These sorts of responses don't help anyone, jh.
Why don�t you get together and produce ONE killer-img-module? Why are there 10 different modules for image uploading and handling?
"You" is a community of volunteers all over the world. Rather than making demands to an already overworked group of people, a more constructive strategy is for you to contribute code or outline technical specifications about how to provide a more unified approach. If something isn't the way you like it, most likely you'll have to be the one to change it, or wait while someone else can. I don't want to be rude, but this guy has a certain point here..
There are so much image related modules in contrib, which are mostly redundant in (a great part of) their functionality.. So I think this guys is right.. IMO is the split for image.module Walkah once told the right way, and split it up into 3 different parts.. One for the display: gallery.module; Second for the functionality: image.module and third: I forgot.. Some new hooks need to be introduced todo some fancy things, and that's it.. It sounds all like a dream to me.. Steef
Op donderdag 2 maart 2006 23:07, schreef Drupalista:
Make ONE. Only ONE that works, please.
Yessir! I jumped in my combat suite, because Mister Drupalista told me so! Hiijaaah hu-hah! Oh and produced something in the mean time. http://www.webschuur.com/node/527 Ber codeprivate Kessels </end cynical tone discmaimer: I had this stuff done waaay before mister-so-and-so told us to get this done. -- [ End user Drupal services and hosting | Sympal.nl ] Gebruik geen CVS, tenzij je zeker van je zaak bent: http://help.sympal.nl/gebruik_geen_cvs_tenzij_je_zeker_van_je_zaak_bent
simply... LOL
Drupalista wrote:
Why don´t you get together and produce ONE killer-img-module? Why are there 10 different modules for image uploading and handling?
Simple: Because there isn't ONE killer image module pattern that is the right one. Now, what we have isn't good, I'll grant you. But many different people want many different things. Groups will come together to work on things as their goals and needs align. Drupal is very much a scratch-your-own itch kind of thing.
Drupalista, If you log create a user on cubiclearmy.com, then you can see th full size images. This is one of the benefits for being a registered member. This is configurable in the gallery installation. On 3/2/06, Earl Miles <merlin@logrus.com> wrote:
Drupalista wrote:
Why don´t you get together and produce ONE killer-img-module? Why are there 10 different modules for image uploading and handling?
Simple: Because there isn't ONE killer image module pattern that is the right one.
Now, what we have isn't good, I'll grant you. But many different people want many different things. Groups will come together to work on things as their goals and needs align. Drupal is very much a scratch-your-own itch kind of thing.
-- Proud member of the KEXP cubicle army. http://www.cubiclearmy.com
That's not the way to talk here. Complaining about it just doesn't do it. The purpose of this list is to coordinate development and discuss on dev topics. <!--break--> You have 3 options: - You're grateful because you have something you can use even though it has its faults - Contribute to it in ANY possible way you can and maybe have a better product to use - Don't use it at all. There are lots of other products out there with (maybe) better media support that you might want to use even if they lack on other things (greatness) that drupal gives you. Maybe after you use them and find a suitable way to integrate media into a CMS, you can nicely tell us how and maybe someone will pick it up and make work the way you want to in Drupal and if it's good enough it could become the standard way of handling images. No trolling intended... Bye!
~devel list delurk~ On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 23:07 +0100, Drupalista wrote:
Hi,
I've modified the img_assist module to work with the gallery module to allow users to easily pick images from an embedded gallery. I know it
that´s what I mean - so there are two more new image modules?
Why don´t you get together and produce ONE killer-img-module? Why are there 10 different modules for image uploading and handling?
Make ONE. Only ONE that works, please.
I might have radically different needs (such as the handling of RAW files in addition to something like PNG or TIFF) or I might have moderately different needs that requires EXIF information including all the exposure information as well as the camera shooting the photo being pulled out and having a taxonomy term being created on the fly in addition to having dedicated taxonomies for subject, type of photography and the location the photo was taken. I might even want to sell some photos online and allow others to post and sell them. I might need to be able to offer a complete gallery offline with a tar.gz created on the fly of all imagines in a taxonomy with a test file describing all of them (which pulls information not only from the nodes themselves, but also taxonomy). That would be one killed image module, however, I really doubt that anyone wants half of those features, let alone all of them. Plus, a feature that many people want, inline image uploading while creating a node, I have literally no use for whatsoever. Because of all of this, this hypothetical module flat out won't exist if I don't sit down and write it, but I'm OK with that since I'm grateful for what the Drupal developers have given me to play with. What you deem a kill image module, others deem useless. Sure there's lots of work that can be done, however, I think that the Drupal approach of keep things small and modular and not monolithic will mean that there will be no one image module, just like there isn't one ecommerce module. This is something users will have to get used to in addition to the fact that just because you want something doesn't mean that a dozen developers will say OK and start working on it just because you said you wanted it. -- brian@brianpuccio.net GPG Key ID 0xBBD2401F
In my experience, the image and img_assist modules together provide all the image functionality that most Drupal sites need. When you install these two modules side-by-side, you get basic gallery functionality, options to auto-resize images to different sizes, and excellent inline image uploading and inserting. img_assist is currently not ready for 4.7, however this is being worked on (http://drupal.org/node/40297). I submitted the latest patch to upgrade it to 4.7, and I am successfully running the module on a 4.7 site at the moment (with my patch). The reason the patch hasn't been committed is that the module's maintainer is rewriting it, mainly with usability and cosmetic improvements, and pretty much the same features. Once img_assist is ready for 4.7, I see no reason for you to complain. Jaza. PS: Bèr, I'm sure the inline module is a great solution too, but I haven't tried it, and img_assist works for me. I've always thought of img_assist as the 'standard' inline imaging tool for Drupal, and newbies NEED standard tools! On 3/2/06, Drupalista <drupal@web.de> wrote:
Hi,
I am testiung drupal extensively. great ideas, really, you made a fine job there.
*BUT* I need to admit, that the image handling is absolutely not acceptable at the moment.
I read about I think 4 or 5 different ways to get inline images into articles. That is all "hidden" in the forums and users have to fight thru several modules to get something working that people are used to get as an out-of-the-box feature. inline, upload, img. img_assist, then complications with different other modules, inline tags showing up in taxonomy blocks, editors not working because of patches... totally unusable for "the normal user"
I really like drupal. PLEASE make the image uploading thing an important issue - please tidy up that image module jungle and provide ONE working and good integrated image tool that comes with drupal core.
please do not release any new drupal without that image functionality beeing at least as good and usable as in other systems around.
THANKS!
Drupalista
Hello, I made a mockup on how to improve image usability: http://drupal.org/node/52718 Konstantin 2006/3/5, Jeremy Epstein <jazepstein@gmail.com>:
In my experience, the image and img_assist modules together provide all the image functionality that most Drupal sites need. When you install these two modules side-by-side, you get basic gallery functionality, options to auto-resize images to different sizes, and excellent inline image uploading and inserting.
img_assist is currently not ready for 4.7, however this is being worked on (http://drupal.org/node/40297). I submitted the latest patch to upgrade it to 4.7, and I am successfully running the module on a 4.7 site at the moment (with my patch). The reason the patch hasn't been committed is that the module's maintainer is rewriting it, mainly with usability and cosmetic improvements, and pretty much the same features.
Once img_assist is ready for 4.7, I see no reason for you to complain.
Jaza.
PS: Bèr, I'm sure the inline module is a great solution too, but I haven't tried it, and img_assist works for me. I've always thought of img_assist as the 'standard' inline imaging tool for Drupal, and newbies NEED standard tools!
On 3/2/06, Drupalista <drupal@web.de> wrote:
Hi,
I am testiung drupal extensively. great ideas, really, you made a fine job there.
*BUT* I need to admit, that the image handling is absolutely not acceptable at the moment.
I read about I think 4 or 5 different ways to get inline images into articles. That is all "hidden" in the forums and users have to fight thru several modules to get something working that people are used to get as an out-of-the-box feature. inline, upload, img. img_assist, then complications with different other modules, inline tags showing up in taxonomy blocks, editors not working because of patches... totally unusable for "the normal user"
I really like drupal. PLEASE make the image uploading thing an important issue - please tidy up that image module jungle and provide ONE working and good integrated image tool that comes with drupal core.
please do not release any new drupal without that image functionality beeing at least as good and usable as in other systems around.
THANKS!
Drupalista
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Brian Puccio -
Bèr Kessels -
Drupalista -
Earl Miles -
Farsheed -
Jeff Eaton -
Jeremy Epstein -
John Handelaar -
Konstantin Käfer -
Michelangelo Partipilo -
Moshe Weitzman -
Robert Douglass -
Stefan Nagtegaal -
Will Wyatt