Hello, I met Joomla! lead developer this weekend, and attended a Joomla! 1.5 demo. Joomla! 1.5 is the next Joomla! release, currently in alpha/ beta. It will mark the first important release since Joomla! "spooned" from Mambo. Notable changes were: - A new install system with a very basic notion of install profiles! - Internationalization: interface translation only - Database abstraction layer - Separation of logic and presentation layer - Improved APIs, making it a better developer platform Clearly, they have been playing catch-up with Drupal. :-) They also stated that Joomla! 2.0, the version after Joomla! 1.5 will have a node system like Drupal. -- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/
Why catch-up? Come join us! :o) Robin On 5/22/06, Dries Buytaert <dries.buytaert@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I met Joomla! lead developer this weekend, and attended a Joomla! 1.5 demo. Joomla! 1.5 is the next Joomla! release, currently in alpha/ beta. It will mark the first important release since Joomla! "spooned" from Mambo.
Notable changes were:
- A new install system with a very basic notion of install profiles! - Internationalization: interface translation only - Database abstraction layer - Separation of logic and presentation layer - Improved APIs, making it a better developer platform
Clearly, they have been playing catch-up with Drupal. :-)
They also stated that Joomla! 2.0, the version after Joomla! 1.5 will have a node system like Drupal.
-- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/
-- Robin Monks, CivicSpace Release Engineer Drupal Marketing Coordinator Encrypted email preferred: http://shurl.org/key/devlinks@gmail.com
They do have a looong way to go then!.. :) 2006/5/22, Dries Buytaert <dries.buytaert@gmail.com>:
Hello,
I met Joomla! lead developer this weekend, and attended a Joomla! 1.5 demo. Joomla! 1.5 is the next Joomla! release, currently in alpha/ beta. It will mark the first important release since Joomla! "spooned" from Mambo.
Notable changes were:
- A new install system with a very basic notion of install profiles! - Internationalization: interface translation only - Database abstraction layer - Separation of logic and presentation layer - Improved APIs, making it a better developer platform
Clearly, they have been playing catch-up with Drupal. :-)
They also stated that Joomla! 2.0, the version after Joomla! 1.5 will have a node system like Drupal.
-- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/
hi On 5/22/06, Dries Buytaert <dries.buytaert@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I met Joomla! lead developer this weekend, and attended a Joomla! 1.5 demo. Joomla! 1.5 is the next Joomla! release, currently in alpha/ beta. It will mark the first important release since Joomla! "spooned" from Mambo.
Notable changes were:
- A new install system with a very basic notion of install profiles! - Internationalization: interface translation only - Database abstraction layer - Separation of logic and presentation layer - Improved APIs, making it a better developer platform
one thing i love about the joomla is that the installation of their module is very easy and it works out the box just like the software install with mouse clicks. we need to use that in drupal.
Clearly, they have been playing catch-up with Drupal. :-)
They also stated that Joomla! 2.0, the version after Joomla! 1.5 will have a node system like Drupal.
-- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/
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balachandar muruganantham wrote:
one thing i love about the joomla is that the installation of their module is very easy and it works out the box just like the software install with mouse clicks. we need to use that in drupal.
It's been built. Please see http://www.civicspacelabs.com/drupal-install for a demo and information on how to make a financial contribution which will get it into Drupal 4.8. -Angie
hi On 5/22/06, Angela Byron <drupal-devel@webchick.net> wrote:
balachandar muruganantham wrote:
one thing i love about the joomla is that the installation of their module is very easy and it works out the box just like the software install with mouse clicks. we need to use that in drupal.
It's been built. Please see http://www.civicspacelabs.com/drupal-install for a demo and information on how to make a financial contribution which will get it into Drupal 4.8.
hi what are talking abt is the the drupal installer. what i specified is the module installer.
-Angie
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balachandar muruganantham wrote:
one thing i love about the joomla is that the installation of their module is very easy and it works out the box just like the software install with mouse clicks. we need to use that in drupal.
The only simple, portable way I can think of for having self-installing web software is for the web server to have write access to the filesystem where my pages and code are stored. And that's a security risk in most hosted environments. Is there some other way that I am not aware of which does not have such risks?
Chris Johnson wrote:
balachandar muruganantham wrote:
one thing i love about the joomla is that the installation of their module is very easy and it works out the box just like the software install with mouse clicks. we need to use that in drupal.
The only simple, portable way I can think of for having self-installing web software is for the web server to have write access to the filesystem where my pages and code are stored. And that's a security risk in most hosted environments.
Is there some other way that I am not aware of which does not have such risks?
There are two: 1) bug the user to make the files writable and afterwards bu him again to undo it (the current CS installer does this) 2) store the code inside the database. :) Cheers, Gerhard
hi On 5/22/06, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:
Chris Johnson wrote:
balachandar muruganantham wrote:
one thing i love about the joomla is that the installation of their module is very easy and it works out the box just like the software install with mouse clicks. we need to use that in drupal.
The only simple, portable way I can think of for having self-installing web software is for the web server to have write access to the filesystem where my pages and code are stored. And that's a security risk in most hosted environments.
Is there some other way that I am not aware of which does not have such risks?
There are two:
1) bug the user to make the files writable and afterwards bu him again to undo it (the current CS installer does this)
2) store the code inside the database. :)
i agree with for the later. For the first point, it is difficult to impose on the end user to do all things. -- <name> balachandar muruganantham</name> <Yahoo!> mbchandar</Yahoo!> <Hotmail> mbchandar</Hotmail> <blog> http://www.balachandar.net/blog</blog> <web>http://www.balachandar.net</web> <talk> http://www.expertstalk.org</talk> <shop>http://www.chennaishopping.com</shop>
Hi, balachandar muruganantham wrote:
hi
On 5/22/06, Dries Buytaert <dries.buytaert@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I met Joomla! lead developer this weekend, and attended a Joomla! 1.5 demo. Joomla! 1.5 is the next Joomla! release, currently in alpha/ beta. It will mark the first important release since Joomla! "spooned" from Mambo.
Notable changes were:
- A new install system with a very basic notion of install profiles! - Internationalization: interface translation only - Database abstraction layer - Separation of logic and presentation layer - Improved APIs, making it a better developer platform
one thing i love about the joomla is that the installation of their module is very easy and it works out the box just like the software install with mouse clicks. we need to use that in drupal.
CivicSpace have already created this, and from what see from the video cast is very good. take a look at it here http://civicspacelabs.com/drupal-install Gordon.
Op maandag 22 mei 2006 14:54, schreef Dries Buytaert:
Hello,
I met Joomla! lead developer this weekend, and attended a Joomla! 1.5 demo. Joomla! 1.5 is the next Joomla! release, currently in alpha/ beta. It will mark the first important release since Joomla! "spooned" from Mambo.
Notable changes were:
- A new install system with a very basic notion of install profiles! - Internationalization: interface translation only - Database abstraction layer - Separation of logic and presentation layer - Improved APIs, making it a better developer platform
Clearly, they have been playing catch-up with Drupal. :-)
They also stated that Joomla! 2.0, the version after Joomla! 1.5 will have a node system like Drupal.
Besides techology, and nice code and performance and flexibility when developing, what is it that makes Joomla! good? What can we learn from Joomla!? After all, they have a much larger installed base in a lot of branches of the industry. They also have far better support of integrated systems like PHPbb and Gallery2. I have installed Joomla several times, and every time I was really amazed by it. Yes, its code is not nice. And developing modules is probably a pain. But alas! I never *had* to develop anything, its all there. And I never had to look under the hood, it does what I need it to do! Joomla feels like a nice Mercedes where you dont have to look under the hood to get to your work. And where you can get there very easily and fast, provided you dont need to drive trough deserts or jungles. And in fact, you are not really supposed to look under the hood (you might not be pleased to see what you find there)*. But Drupal is the wonderful English Car (RR) that. Handcrafted, and with the best engine in the world. Now, its a known fact that the RR might be a very good engineered car, but its not made for Driving pleasure. Not many ppl take their RR into the traffic Jam to drive to Brussels every day. ut Still, RR is the one building engines for airplanes! What I try to say is, that we should be very aware of Joomla!! Because if they manage to get their technology improved, and comparable to Drupals, they are *far* ahead of us, in both "user experience", and "installed base". So lets not sit back with an arogant smile and think "waa, we've had nodes all along". Or "muhahaha, your OOP suxxors for developing modules". But lets get both teams more involved with eachother and see what we can do for eachother. See what Joomla can do for Drupal. Ber -who likes the fact that OO.o works without haviing to fiddle under the hood to get it to work- Kessels * Bad example, because Mercedes is supposed to be very good undert the hood, but the point is clear, not? -- [ Bèr Kessels | Drupal services www.webschuur.com ] CVS onder de knie krijgen: http://help.sympal.nl/cvs_onder_de_knie_krijgen
So lets not sit back with an arogant smile and think "waa, we've had nodes all along". Or "muhahaha, your OOP suxxors for developing modules". But lets get both teams more involved with eachother and see what we can do for eachother. See what Joomla can do for Drupal.
I second Ber's advice here. Not only for the reason he mentioned (Joomla can catch up and become a better Drupal [not easy, but not impossible]), but also because that attitude is not right, nor is it healthy for anyone involved. We are in "coopetition" (Cooperation/Competition) with Joomla: There are common goals (the whole open source thing, anti-closed source, ...etc.), yet we compete as well (we are both open source CMS, vying for more or less the same audience). Let us do it in a good spirit, and in a constructive way.
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Angela Byron -
balachandar muruganantham -
Bèr Kessels -
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Dmitry Gukov -
Dries Buytaert -
Gerhard Killesreiter -
Gordon Heydon -
Khalid B -
Robin Monks