Re: [development] Welcome to the "development" mailing list
Hey all, I've been using Komodo for a while and while I like its built-in support for xdebug (breakpoints, stepping, stack trace, the whole enchilada) and code intel. But I hate it because it's a terrible resource hog. I've been using Coda for a couple weeks, and although it's extremely pretty, it lacks a few pretty key things, xdebug support being the main one. I used TextMate before Komodo and am thinking of going back, but I really would hate to live without debugging/xdebug support. Also, I've tried Eclipse and don't like it. Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe? -Dom
Have you given NetBeans 6.54 a try yet? I've switched from Eclipse to it at the beginning of the month and haven't looked back. Jamie Holly Domenic Santangelo wrote:
Hey all,
I've been using Komodo for a while and while I like its built-in support for xdebug (breakpoints, stepping, stack trace, the whole enchilada) and code intel. But I hate it because it's a terrible resource hog. I've been using Coda for a couple weeks, and although it's extremely pretty, it lacks a few pretty key things, xdebug support being the main one. I used TextMate before Komodo and am thinking of going back, but I really would hate to live without debugging/xdebug support. Also, I've tried Eclipse and don't like it.
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
-Dom
What pulled you to NetBeans over Eclipse? Tao Jamie Holly wrote:
Have you given NetBeans 6.54 a try yet? I've switched from Eclipse to it at the beginning of the month and haven't looked back.
Jamie Holly
Domenic Santangelo wrote:
Hey all,
I've been using Komodo for a while and while I like its built-in support for xdebug (breakpoints, stepping, stack trace, the whole enchilada) and code intel. But I hate it because it's a terrible resource hog. I've been using Coda for a couple weeks, and although it's extremely pretty, it lacks a few pretty key things, xdebug support being the main one. I used TextMate before Komodo and am thinking of going back, but I really would hate to live without debugging/xdebug support. Also, I've tried Eclipse and don't like it.
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
-Dom
Kept having "buggy" issues with Eclipse, memory issues, losing features, etc... I had to re-download PDT a couple of times, finally I just gave up. After I saw NetBeans PHP support talked about in Site Point, I pulled the trigger. Functionally, I think it's much and more intuitive out of the box. If you make heavy use of task list, the task scanner can really bog Net Beans down, but you can simply close it. As an added bonus it has great CSS support. :) I agree I would use VIM if I had the patience, but I grew up in the Microsoft world and switched to linux 3-4 yrs. ago so I do like me UI :) On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Tao Starbow <starbow@citris-uc.org> wrote:
What pulled you to NetBeans over Eclipse?
Tao
Jamie Holly wrote:
Have you given NetBeans 6.54 a try yet? I've switched from Eclipse to it at the beginning of the month and haven't looked back.
Jamie Holly
Domenic Santangelo wrote:
Hey all,
I've been using Komodo for a while and while I like its built-in support for xdebug (breakpoints, stepping, stack trace, the whole enchilada) and code intel. But I hate it because it's a terrible resource hog. I've been using Coda for a couple weeks, and although it's extremely pretty, it lacks a few pretty key things, xdebug support being the main one. I used TextMate before Komodo and am thinking of going back, but I really would hate to live without debugging/xdebug support. Also, I've tried Eclipse and don't like it.
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
-Dom
-- Jim Taylor Rooty Hollow LLC, Owner jim@rootyhollow.com www.rootyhollow.com (614) 886-5530 Twitter: jalama Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rootyhollow
Wow, having a working outline for javascript is really nice. Netbeans could grow on me. Tao Jim Taylor wrote:
Kept having "buggy" issues with Eclipse, memory issues, losing features, etc... I had to re-download PDT a couple of times, finally I just gave up. After I saw NetBeans PHP support talked about in Site Point, I pulled the trigger. Functionally, I think it's much and more intuitive out of the box. If you make heavy use of task list, the task scanner can really bog Net Beans down, but you can simply close it. As an added bonus it has great CSS support. :)
I agree I would use VIM if I had the patience, but I grew up in the Microsoft world and switched to linux 3-4 yrs. ago so I do like me UI :)
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Tao Starbow <starbow@citris-uc.org <mailto:starbow@citris-uc.org>> wrote:
What pulled you to NetBeans over Eclipse?
Tao
Jamie Holly wrote:
Have you given NetBeans 6.54 a try yet? I've switched from Eclipse to it at the beginning of the month and haven't looked back.
Jamie Holly
Domenic Santangelo wrote:
Hey all,
I've been using Komodo for a while and while I like its built-in support for xdebug (breakpoints, stepping, stack trace, the whole enchilada) and code intel. But I hate it because it's a terrible resource hog. I've been using Coda for a couple weeks, and although it's extremely pretty, it lacks a few pretty key things, xdebug support being the main one. I used TextMate before Komodo and am thinking of going back, but I really would hate to live without debugging/xdebug support. Also, I've tried Eclipse and don't like it.
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
-Dom
-- Jim Taylor Rooty Hollow LLC, Owner jim@rootyhollow.com <mailto:jim@rootyhollow.com> www.rootyhollow.com <http://www.rootyhollow.com> (614) 886-5530
Twitter: jalama Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rootyhollow
If you don't use the task list you can disable that in the plugins. I can't remember the exact name of the plugin. I just went through the list and it popped out at me and I clicked to get rid of it. There's also a plugin that lets you connect directly to TRAC systems to handle issues. It would be nice to create something similar to connect with Project's issue tracker. If I knew enough Java I would tackle that. Jim Taylor wrote:
Kept having "buggy" issues with Eclipse, memory issues, losing features, etc... I had to re-download PDT a couple of times, finally I just gave up. After I saw NetBeans PHP support talked about in Site Point, I pulled the trigger. Functionally, I think it's much and more intuitive out of the box. If you make heavy use of task list, the task scanner can really bog Net Beans down, but you can simply close it. As an added bonus it has great CSS support. :)
I agree I would use VIM if I had the patience, but I grew up in the Microsoft world and switched to linux 3-4 yrs. ago so I do like me UI :)
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Tao Starbow <starbow@citris-uc.org <mailto:starbow@citris-uc.org>> wrote:
What pulled you to NetBeans over Eclipse?
Tao
Jamie Holly wrote:
Have you given NetBeans 6.54 a try yet? I've switched from Eclipse to it at the beginning of the month and haven't looked back.
Jamie Holly
Domenic Santangelo wrote:
Hey all,
I've been using Komodo for a while and while I like its built-in support for xdebug (breakpoints, stepping, stack trace, the whole enchilada) and code intel. But I hate it because it's a terrible resource hog. I've been using Coda for a couple weeks, and although it's extremely pretty, it lacks a few pretty key things, xdebug support being the main one. I used TextMate before Komodo and am thinking of going back, but I really would hate to live without debugging/xdebug support. Also, I've tried Eclipse and don't like it.
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
-Dom
-- Jim Taylor Rooty Hollow LLC, Owner jim@rootyhollow.com <mailto:jim@rootyhollow.com> www.rootyhollow.com <http://www.rootyhollow.com> (614) 886-5530
Twitter: jalama Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rootyhollow
Wow. Thank you for introducing me to Netbeans, I'm liking this so much more. Even found a nice git plugin - http://code.google.com/p/nbgit/downloads/list Might have a new addiction here... On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Jamie Holly <hovercrafter@earthlink.net>wrote:
If you don't use the task list you can disable that in the plugins. I can't remember the exact name of the plugin. I just went through the list and it popped out at me and I clicked to get rid of it.
There's also a plugin that lets you connect directly to TRAC systems to handle issues. It would be nice to create something similar to connect with Project's issue tracker. If I knew enough Java I would tackle that.
Jim Taylor wrote:
Kept having "buggy" issues with Eclipse, memory issues, losing features, etc... I had to re-download PDT a couple of times, finally I just gave up. After I saw NetBeans PHP support talked about in Site Point, I pulled the trigger. Functionally, I think it's much and more intuitive out of the box. If you make heavy use of task list, the task scanner can really bog Net Beans down, but you can simply close it. As an added bonus it has great CSS support. :) I agree I would use VIM if I had the patience, but I grew up in the Microsoft world and switched to linux 3-4 yrs. ago so I do like me UI :)
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Tao Starbow <starbow@citris-uc.org<mailto: starbow@citris-uc.org>> wrote:
What pulled you to NetBeans over Eclipse?
Tao
Jamie Holly wrote:
Have you given NetBeans 6.54 a try yet? I've switched from Eclipse to it at the beginning of the month and haven't looked back.
Jamie Holly
Domenic Santangelo wrote:
Hey all,
I've been using Komodo for a while and while I like its built-in support for xdebug (breakpoints, stepping, stack trace, the whole enchilada) and code intel. But I hate it because it's a terrible resource hog. I've been using Coda for a couple weeks, and although it's extremely pretty, it lacks a few pretty key things, xdebug support being the main one. I used TextMate before Komodo and am thinking of going back, but I really would hate to live without debugging/xdebug support. Also, I've tried Eclipse and don't like it.
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
-Dom
-- Jim Taylor Rooty Hollow LLC, Owner jim@rootyhollow.com <mailto:jim@rootyhollow.com> www.rootyhollow.com <http://www.rootyhollow.com> (614) 886-5530
Twitter: jalama Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rootyhollow
Yeah! We found a topic everyone can talk about. On Netbeans -- does anyone know how to get xdebug working with it in Ubuntu? Kyle Research Assistant eBusiness Center @ BYU kyle.mathews2000.com/blog On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Jerad Bitner <sirkitree@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow. Thank you for introducing me to Netbeans, I'm liking this so much more. Even found a nice git plugin - http://code.google.com/p/nbgit/downloads/list Might have a new addiction here...
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Jamie Holly <hovercrafter@earthlink.net> wrote:
If you don't use the task list you can disable that in the plugins. I can't remember the exact name of the plugin. I just went through the list and it popped out at me and I clicked to get rid of it.
There's also a plugin that lets you connect directly to TRAC systems to handle issues. It would be nice to create something similar to connect with Project's issue tracker. If I knew enough Java I would tackle that.
Jim Taylor wrote:
Kept having "buggy" issues with Eclipse, memory issues, losing features, etc... I had to re-download PDT a couple of times, finally I just gave up. After I saw NetBeans PHP support talked about in Site Point, I pulled the trigger. Functionally, I think it's much and more intuitive out of the box. If you make heavy use of task list, the task scanner can really bog Net Beans down, but you can simply close it. As an added bonus it has great CSS support. :) I agree I would use VIM if I had the patience, but I grew up in the Microsoft world and switched to linux 3-4 yrs. ago so I do like me UI :)
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Tao Starbow <starbow@citris-uc.org <mailto:starbow@citris-uc.org>> wrote:
What pulled you to NetBeans over Eclipse?
Tao
Jamie Holly wrote:
Have you given NetBeans 6.54 a try yet? I've switched from Eclipse to it at the beginning of the month and haven't looked back.
Jamie Holly
Domenic Santangelo wrote:
Hey all,
I've been using Komodo for a while and while I like its built-in support for xdebug (breakpoints, stepping, stack trace, the whole enchilada) and code intel. But I hate it because it's a terrible resource hog. I've been using Coda for a couple weeks, and although it's extremely pretty, it lacks a few pretty key things, xdebug support being the main one. I used TextMate before Komodo and am thinking of going back, but I really would hate to live without debugging/xdebug support. Also, I've tried Eclipse and don't like it.
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
-Dom
-- Jim Taylor Rooty Hollow LLC, Owner jim@rootyhollow.com <mailto:jim@rootyhollow.com> www.rootyhollow.com <http://www.rootyhollow.com> (614) 886-5530
Twitter: jalama Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rootyhollow
Eh, I found the SFTP to be faulty without synchronization. Back to VIM and Xdebug for me. -Anthony -- Anthony Wlodarski www.thrillist.com <http://www.thrillist.com> Web Applications Developer 568 Broadway Ste. 605 New York, NY, 10012 (o) 646.786.1944 ________________________________ From: Kyle Mathews <mathews.kyle@gmail.com> Reply-To: <development@drupal.org> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:03:18 -0800 To: <development@drupal.org> Subject: Re: [development] Welcome to the "development" mailing list Yeah! We found a topic everyone can talk about. On Netbeans -- does anyone know how to get xdebug working with it in Ubuntu? Kyle Research Assistant eBusiness Center @ BYU kyle.mathews2000.com/blog On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Jerad Bitner <sirkitree@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow. Thank you for introducing me to Netbeans, I'm liking this so much more. Even found a nice git plugin - http://code.google.com/p/nbgit/downloads/list Might have a new addiction here...
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Jamie Holly <hovercrafter@earthlink.net> wrote:
If you don't use the task list you can disable that in the plugins. I can't remember the exact name of the plugin. I just went through the list and it popped out at me and I clicked to get rid of it.
There's also a plugin that lets you connect directly to TRAC systems to handle issues. It would be nice to create something similar to connect with Project's issue tracker. If I knew enough Java I would tackle that.
Jim Taylor wrote:
Kept having "buggy" issues with Eclipse, memory issues, losing features, etc... I had to re-download PDT a couple of times, finally I just gave up. After I saw NetBeans PHP support talked about in Site Point, I pulled the trigger. Functionally, I think it's much and more intuitive out of the box. If you make heavy use of task list, the task scanner can really bog Net Beans down, but you can simply close it. As an added bonus it has great CSS support. :) I agree I would use VIM if I had the patience, but I grew up in the Microsoft world and switched to linux 3-4 yrs. ago so I do like me UI :)
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Tao Starbow <starbow@citris-uc.org <mailto:starbow@citris-uc.org>> wrote:
What pulled you to NetBeans over Eclipse?
Tao
Jamie Holly wrote:
Have you given NetBeans 6.54 a try yet? I've switched from Eclipse to it at the beginning of the month and haven't looked back.
Jamie Holly
Domenic Santangelo wrote:
Hey all,
I've been using Komodo for a while and while I like its built-in support for xdebug (breakpoints, stepping, stack trace, the whole enchilada) and code intel. But I hate it because it's a terrible resource hog. I've been using Coda for a couple weeks, and although it's extremely pretty, it lacks a few pretty key things, xdebug support being the main one. I used TextMate before Komodo and am thinking of going back, but I really would hate to live without debugging/xdebug support. Also, I've tried Eclipse and don't like it.
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
-Dom
-- Jim Taylor Rooty Hollow LLC, Owner jim@rootyhollow.com <mailto:jim@rootyhollow.com> www.rootyhollow.com <http://www.rootyhollow.com> (614) 886-5530
Twitter: jalama Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rootyhollow
Kyle I can't remember what else I did but this is the php.ini settings that worked for me on ubuntu (8.10) ;xdebug zend_extension=/usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/xdebug.so [debug] ; Remote settings xdebug.remote_autostart=off xdebug.remote_enable=on xdebug.remote_handler=dbgp xdebug.remote_mode=req xdebug.remote_host=drupalhost xdebug.remote_port=9000 On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Kyle Mathews <mathews.kyle@gmail.com>wrote:
Yeah! We found a topic everyone can talk about.
On Netbeans -- does anyone know how to get xdebug working with it in Ubuntu?
Kyle
Research Assistant eBusiness Center @ BYU kyle.mathews2000.com/blog
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Jerad Bitner <sirkitree@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow. Thank you for introducing me to Netbeans, I'm liking this so much more. Even found a nice git plugin - http://code.google.com/p/nbgit/downloads/list Might have a new addiction here...
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Jamie Holly <hovercrafter@earthlink.net
wrote:
If you don't use the task list you can disable that in the plugins. I can't remember the exact name of the plugin. I just went through the
list
and it popped out at me and I clicked to get rid of it.
There's also a plugin that lets you connect directly to TRAC systems to handle issues. It would be nice to create something similar to connect with Project's issue tracker. If I knew enough Java I would tackle that.
Jim Taylor wrote:
Kept having "buggy" issues with Eclipse, memory issues, losing
features,
etc... I had to re-download PDT a couple of times, finally I just gave up. After I saw NetBeans PHP support talked about in Site Point, I pulled the trigger. Functionally, I think it's much and more intuitive out of the box. If you make heavy use of task list, the task scanner can really bog Net Beans down, but you can simply close it. As an added bonus it has great CSS support. :) I agree I would use VIM if I had the patience, but I grew up in the Microsoft world and switched to linux 3-4 yrs. ago so I do like me UI :)
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Tao Starbow <starbow@citris-uc.org <mailto:starbow@citris-uc.org>> wrote:
What pulled you to NetBeans over Eclipse?
Tao
Jamie Holly wrote:
Have you given NetBeans 6.54 a try yet? I've switched from Eclipse to it at the beginning of the month and haven't looked back.
Jamie Holly
Domenic Santangelo wrote:
Hey all,
I've been using Komodo for a while and while I like its built-in support for xdebug (breakpoints, stepping, stack trace, the whole enchilada) and code intel. But I hate it because it's a terrible resource hog. I've been using Coda for a couple weeks, and although it's extremely pretty, it lacks a few pretty key things, xdebug support being the main one. I used TextMate before Komodo and am thinking of going back, but I really would hate to live without debugging/xdebug support. Also, I've tried Eclipse and don't like it.
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
-Dom
-- Jim Taylor Rooty Hollow LLC, Owner jim@rootyhollow.com <mailto:jim@rootyhollow.com> www.rootyhollow.com <http://www.rootyhollow.com> (614) 886-5530
Twitter: jalama Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rootyhollow
-- Jim Taylor Rooty Hollow LLC, Owner jim@rootyhollow.com www.rootyhollow.com (614) 886-5530 Twitter: jalama Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rootyhollow
Net Beans is pretty impressive. I grew up Microsoft too, and I've been using Zend Studio for a while. Net Beans seems just as capable, and it feels more familiar than Eclipse even now. I think I'll try that Drupal plug in. On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Jim Taylor <jim@rootyhollow.com> wrote:
Kept having "buggy" issues with Eclipse, memory issues, losing features, etc... I had to re-download PDT a couple of times, finally I just gave up. After I saw NetBeans PHP support talked about in Site Point, I pulled the trigger. Functionally, I think it's much and more intuitive out of the box. If you make heavy use of task list, the task scanner can really bog Net Beans down, but you can simply close it. As an added bonus it has great CSS support. :)
I agree I would use VIM if I had the patience, but I grew up in the Microsoft world and switched to linux 3-4 yrs. ago so I do like me UI :)
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Tao Starbow <starbow@citris-uc.org>wrote:
What pulled you to NetBeans over Eclipse?
Tao
Jamie Holly wrote:
Have you given NetBeans 6.54 a try yet? I've switched from Eclipse to it at the beginning of the month and haven't looked back.
Jamie Holly
Domenic Santangelo wrote:
Hey all,
I've been using Komodo for a while and while I like its built-in support for xdebug (breakpoints, stepping, stack trace, the whole enchilada) and code intel. But I hate it because it's a terrible resource hog. I've been using Coda for a couple weeks, and although it's extremely pretty, it lacks a few pretty key things, xdebug support being the main one. I used TextMate before Komodo and am thinking of going back, but I really would hate to live without debugging/xdebug support. Also, I've tried Eclipse and don't like it.
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
-Dom
-- Jim Taylor Rooty Hollow LLC, Owner jim@rootyhollow.com www.rootyhollow.com (614) 886-5530
Twitter: jalama Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rootyhollow
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Net Beans is pretty impressive. I grew up Microsoft too, and I've been using Zend Studio for a while. Net Beans seems just as capable, and it feels more familiar than Eclipse even now. I think I'll try that Drupal plug in.
Say guys, you realize that "what IDE to use" is a pretty general PHP question and has absolutely nothing to do with Drupal development in particular? In other words: you are all off topic. I am going to sleep now, if my inbox is full of more of this stuff when I get up again, I'll run amok on the membership roster. Cheers, Gerhard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmkf+UACgkQfg6TFvELooR4OgCbBkF5L8igSwKZuLCQw15QxDyh HuMAn2x7eMHFyqLXMHghDr4UjImCy7H+ =MtCa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
killes, OP here. I realize the importance of keeping the list clean and on-topic and am glad to see your input. Another perspective for you though, I asked the question as my programming time is 95% Drupal and I've been hopping from IDE to IDE in search of something useful *specifically* for Drupal-centric programming. Drupal-awareness inside the IDE (whether through a combination of tools or one awesome IDE) is an important criteria in this regard. Consequently, I must respectfully disagree with your assertion that we are all off-topic. Many technologies that we use -- PHP itself, for example -- are not by definition Drupal, but can be (and for the purposes of this list, should be) framed in the context of Drupal. -D -- Domenic Santangelo senior engineer | workhabit,inc. // email: domenic@workhabit.com | web: http://www.workhabit.com // office: 866-workhabit | direct: 916-288-8243 On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:
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Earl Dunovant schrieb:
Net Beans is pretty impressive. I grew up Microsoft too, and I've been using Zend Studio for a while. Net Beans seems just as capable, and it feels more familiar than Eclipse even now. I think I'll try that Drupal plug in.
Say guys, you realize that "what IDE to use" is a pretty general PHP question and has absolutely nothing to do with Drupal development in particular?
In other words: you are all off topic.
I am going to sleep now, if my inbox is full of more of this stuff when I get up again, I'll run amok on the membership roster.
Cheers, Gerhard
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Considering that I found at least three new development tools that I've installed and am running through -- all in hopes of greatly improving my current Drupal-centric workload -- hopefully adds one vote to the Relevancy Rating of this thread. I think it's important to remember that lists like this represent a collective community working together on a sort of "meta project". ... I say "bah!" to the off-topic issue in general, but definitely to this thread being offensive to the list. Paul Domenic Santangelo wrote:
killes,
OP here. I realize the importance of keeping the list clean and on-topic and am glad to see your input. Another perspective for you though, I asked the question as my programming time is 95% Drupal and I've been hopping from IDE to IDE in search of something useful *specifically* for Drupal-centric programming. Drupal-awareness inside the IDE (whether through a combination of tools or one awesome IDE) is an important criteria in this regard.
Consequently, I must respectfully disagree with your assertion that we are all off-topic. Many technologies that we use -- PHP itself, for example -- are not by definition Drupal, but can be (and for the purposes of this list, should be) framed in the context of Drupal.
-D
On Wednesday 25 February 2009 07:40:22 Domenic Santangelo wrote:
OP here. I realize the importance of keeping the list clean and on-topic and am glad to see your input.
Hi OP, I must side with Gerhard on at least one point: in this whole thread, he is the only one to have changed the subject line to something actually related to what is being discussed. This whole discussion could have been interesting to some people researching the archives of this list. However, how is anything that has been said related to "Welcome to the 'development' mailing list"??? This whole thread is lost as far as the archives are concerned. It's considered good netiquette to properly advertise the content of a mail by giving a meaningfull subject line. Any of the people who have replied to your email could have changed the topic line, too, to correct your original lack of manners. Gerhard is the only one to have done so. "Top-posting" is also considered bad manners. If you think about them, there are some good reasons behind each commonly agreed rule of netiquette, just like there are good reasons behind each of Drupal's very detailed coding standards. Thanks for taking such rules into consideration. Augustin.
It is also rude to cut off a fruitful discussion because he might have issues with me for some reason (which I think I remember now...oh well...). On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:30 AM, augustin (beginner) < drupal.beginner@wechange.org> wrote:
On Wednesday 25 February 2009 07:40:22 Domenic Santangelo wrote:
OP here. I realize the importance of keeping the list clean and on-topic and am glad to see your input.
Hi OP,
I must side with Gerhard on at least one point: in this whole thread, he is the only one to have changed the subject line to something actually related to what is being discussed.
This whole discussion could have been interesting to some people researching the archives of this list. However, how is anything that has been said related to "Welcome to the 'development' mailing list"??? This whole thread is lost as far as the archives are concerned.
It's considered good netiquette to properly advertise the content of a mail by giving a meaningfull subject line. Any of the people who have replied to your email could have changed the topic line, too, to correct your original lack of manners. Gerhard is the only one to have done so.
"Top-posting" is also considered bad manners.
If you think about them, there are some good reasons behind each commonly agreed rule of netiquette, just like there are good reasons behind each of Drupal's very detailed coding standards.
Thanks for taking such rules into consideration.
Augustin.
Guys, let's try to keep the flames off of here. I do agree the topic is fruitful to some and as with any other topic, totally a time waster for others. This is the nature of all topics on this list. Augustin's remark is very valid and the subject didn't remotely relate to the topic it was talking about. I'm sure if you'd like to write a new post that states its purpose in the subject along the lines of "[continued] IDEs for Drupal development" you will find less resistance from anyone on the list and you can pick up where you previously left off. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Earl Dunovant <prometheus6@gmail.com>wrote:
It is also rude to cut off a fruitful discussion because he might have issues with me for some reason (which I think I remember now...oh well...).
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:30 AM, augustin (beginner) < drupal.beginner@wechange.org> wrote:
On Wednesday 25 February 2009 07:40:22 Domenic Santangelo wrote:
OP here. I realize the importance of keeping the list clean and on-topic and am glad to see your input.
Hi OP,
I must side with Gerhard on at least one point: in this whole thread, he is the only one to have changed the subject line to something actually related to what is being discussed.
This whole discussion could have been interesting to some people researching the archives of this list. However, how is anything that has been said related to "Welcome to the 'development' mailing list"??? This whole thread is lost as far as the archives are concerned.
It's considered good netiquette to properly advertise the content of a mail by giving a meaningfull subject line. Any of the people who have replied to your email could have changed the topic line, too, to correct your original lack of manners. Gerhard is the only one to have done so.
"Top-posting" is also considered bad manners.
If you think about them, there are some good reasons behind each commonly agreed rule of netiquette, just like there are good reasons behind each of Drupal's very detailed coding standards.
Thanks for taking such rules into consideration.
Augustin.
-- Ashraf Amayreh http://aamayreh.org
Would it be simpler if I don't use the list anymore? I don't remember anyone responding to my posts without attempting a correction of some sort. It is not the case that I have not returned to the community, code and advice. Apparently it's my social skills? On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Gerhard Killesreiter < gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:
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Net Beans is pretty impressive. I grew up Microsoft too, and I've been using Zend Studio for a while. Net Beans seems just as capable, and it feels more familiar than Eclipse even now. I think I'll try that Drupal plug in.
Say guys, you realize that "what IDE to use" is a pretty general PHP question and has absolutely nothing to do with Drupal development in particular?
In other words: you are all off topic.
I am going to sleep now, if my inbox is full of more of this stuff when I get up again, I'll run amok on the membership roster.
Cheers, Gerhard
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Earl Dunovant wrote:
Would it be simpler if I don't use the list anymore? I don't remember anyone responding to my posts without attempting a correction of some sort.
It is not the case that I have not returned to the community, code and advice. Apparently it's my social skills?
Nah. It's the name. =)
On 24-Feb-09, at 6:09 PM, Earl Dunovant wrote:
Net Beans is pretty impressive.
When I last tried NetBeans a few months ago, the biggest issue I ran into was not being able to reference other projects. In Eclipse, I have one project for each module, with Drupal 5/6/HEAD projects referenced to provide function lookups. AFAICT, for each module I would have to keep them within the appropriate Drupal version, leading to 20-30 redundant copies of Drupal. Any suggestions, or was I doing my workflow completely wrong? --Andrew
Much less of a resource hog was the first big thing I noticed. Also the support for CSS and JS in NetBeans was a biggie. Having code completion on JQuery has been a life saved. I tried getting it to work with Aptana installed in Eclipse but never could. But the biggest benefit came a couple days after I started testing it out. I found the Drupal plugin for NetBeans: https://nbdrupalsupport.dev.java.net/ Now coding is that much more streamlined. No more going through and manually creating .module and .info files. Can't remember a hook? It adds a hook palette in so you got them all right there. It did take a little getting used to. For example, if I want to go to a function declaration I can no longer hit F3. Now I control-click it. Little things like that, but once I got used to it I have been very happy. Jamie Holly Tao Starbow wrote:
What pulled you to NetBeans over Eclipse?
Tao
Jamie Holly wrote:
Have you given NetBeans 6.54 a try yet? I've switched from Eclipse to it at the beginning of the month and haven't looked back.
Jamie Holly
Domenic Santangelo wrote:
Hey all,
I've been using Komodo for a while and while I like its built-in support for xdebug (breakpoints, stepping, stack trace, the whole enchilada) and code intel. But I hate it because it's a terrible resource hog. I've been using Coda for a couple weeks, and although it's extremely pretty, it lacks a few pretty key things, xdebug support being the main one. I used TextMate before Komodo and am thinking of going back, but I really would hate to live without debugging/xdebug support. Also, I've tried Eclipse and don't like it.
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
-Dom
Make sure you grab the NetBeans Drupal plugin https://nbdrupalsupport.dev.java.net/ -Mike On Feb 24, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Jamie Holly wrote:
Have you given NetBeans 6.54 a try yet? I've switched from Eclipse to it at the beginning of the month and haven't looked back.
Jamie Holly
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Also switched to NetBeans and am loving it On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Domenic Santangelo <domenic@workhabit.com>wrote:
Hey all,
I've been using Komodo for a while and while I like its built-in support for xdebug (breakpoints, stepping, stack trace, the whole enchilada) and code intel. But I hate it because it's a terrible resource hog. I've been using Coda for a couple weeks, and although it's extremely pretty, it lacks a few pretty key things, xdebug support being the main one. I used TextMate before Komodo and am thinking of going back, but I really would hate to live without debugging/xdebug support. Also, I've tried Eclipse and don't like it.
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
-Dom
-- Jim Taylor Rooty Hollow LLC, Owner jim@rootyhollow.com www.rootyhollow.com (614) 886-5530 Twitter: jalama Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rootyhollow
You make me want to stop using VIM for about and hour and try it. -Anthony -- Anthony Wlodarski www.thrillist.com <http://www.thrillist.com> Web Applications Developer 568 Broadway Ste. 605 New York, NY, 10012 (o) 646.786.1944 ________________________________ From: Jim Taylor <jim@rootyhollow.com> Reply-To: <development@drupal.org> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:48:43 -0800 To: <development@drupal.org> Subject: Re: [development] Welcome to the "development" mailing list Also switched to NetBeans and am loving it On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Domenic Santangelo <domenic@workhabit.com> wrote: Hey all, I've been using Komodo for a while and while I like its built-in support for xdebug (breakpoints, stepping, stack trace, the whole enchilada) and code intel. But I hate it because it's a terrible resource hog. I've been using Coda for a couple weeks, and although it's extremely pretty, it lacks a few pretty key things, xdebug support being the main one. I used TextMate before Komodo and am thinking of going back, but I really would hate to live without debugging/xdebug support. Also, I've tried Eclipse and don't like it. Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe? -Dom -- Jim Taylor Rooty Hollow LLC, Owner jim@rootyhollow.com www.rootyhollow.com <http://www.rootyhollow.com> (614) 886-5530 Twitter: jalama Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rootyhollow
Oh, you can use xdebug with Vim too ... See here http://2bits.com/articles/developing-tracing-and-debugging-drupal.html On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Anthony Wlodarski <anthony@thrillist.com>wrote:
You make me want to stop using VIM for about and hour and try it.
-Anthony -- Anthony Wlodarski www.thrillist.com <http://www.thrillist.com> Web Applications Developer 568 Broadway Ste. 605 New York, NY, 10012 (o) 646.786.1944
------------------------------ *From: *Jim Taylor <jim@rootyhollow.com> *Reply-To: *<development@drupal.org> *Date: *Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:48:43 -0800 *To: *<development@drupal.org> *Subject: *Re: [development] Welcome to the "development" mailing list
Also switched to NetBeans and am loving it
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Domenic Santangelo <domenic@workhabit.com> wrote:
Hey all,
I've been using Komodo for a while and while I like its built-in support for xdebug (breakpoints, stepping, stack trace, the whole enchilada) and code intel. But I hate it because it's a terrible resource hog. I've been using Coda for a couple weeks, and although it's extremely pretty, it lacks a few pretty key things, xdebug support being the main one. I used TextMate before Komodo and am thinking of going back, but I really would hate to live without debugging/xdebug support. Also, I've tried Eclipse and don't like it.
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
-Dom
-- Jim Taylor Rooty Hollow LLC, Owner jim@rootyhollow.com www.rootyhollow.com <http://www.rootyhollow.com> (614) 886-5530
Twitter: jalama Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rootyhollow
-- Khalid M. Baheyeldin 2bits.com, Inc. http://2bits.com Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci
You can use Notepad++ with xdebug, but I wouldn't unless I was forced. Still, phpEd is the best $200 I've ever spent. -Don- Quoting Khalid Baheyeldin <kb@2bits.com>:
Oh, you can use xdebug with Vim too ...
See here http://2bits.com/articles/developing-tracing-and-debugging-drupal.html
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Anthony Wlodarski <anthony@thrillist.com>wrote:
You make me want to stop using VIM for about and hour and try it.
-Anthony -- Anthony Wlodarski www.thrillist.com <http://www.thrillist.com> Web Applications Developer 568 Broadway Ste. 605 New York, NY, 10012 (o) 646.786.1944
------------------------------ *From: *Jim Taylor <jim@rootyhollow.com> *Reply-To: *<development@drupal.org> *Date: *Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:48:43 -0800 *To: *<development@drupal.org> *Subject: *Re: [development] Welcome to the "development" mailing list
Also switched to NetBeans and am loving it
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Domenic Santangelo <domenic@workhabit.com> wrote:
Hey all,
I've been using Komodo for a while and while I like its built-in support for xdebug (breakpoints, stepping, stack trace, the whole enchilada) and code intel. But I hate it because it's a terrible resource hog. I've been using Coda for a couple weeks, and although it's extremely pretty, it lacks a few pretty key things, xdebug support being the main one. I used TextMate before Komodo and am thinking of going back, but I really would hate to live without debugging/xdebug support. Also, I've tried Eclipse and don't like it.
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
-Dom
-- Jim Taylor Rooty Hollow LLC, Owner jim@rootyhollow.com www.rootyhollow.com <http://www.rootyhollow.com> (614) 886-5530
Twitter: jalama Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rootyhollow
-- Khalid M. Baheyeldin 2bits.com, Inc. http://2bits.com Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting. Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci
Domenic Santangelo wrote:
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
I know you said you've tried eclipse and don't like it but I have found Eclipse Ganymede + PDT 2.0 (with new caching support) + (new mainline SVN support) + ZendDebugger about the best development environment I have ever touched for PHP. Code completion, collaboration, live debugging with variable substitution, etc. There is a small trick to matching up module vendor branches so you dont spend time doing the SVN/CVS shuffle but nothing too difficult. -mf
I've been using Textmate + MacGDBp for a while and really liking it. http://www.bluestatic.org/software/macgdbp/ I've tried a few other IDE's but can't ever seem to pull myself away from Textmate for more than a few days. Joe Shindelar On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Michael Favia wrote:
Domenic Santangelo wrote:
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
Wow... I've been working on similar support for TextMate/XDebug for a while. But MacGDBp looks like exactly that! I'll have to try it. Off hand, will it work for local (non server-based) debugging? Matt On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Joe Shindelar <joe@triangleparkcreative.com> wrote:
I've been using Textmate + MacGDBp for a while and really liking it.
http://www.bluestatic.org/software/macgdbp/
I've tried a few other IDE's but can't ever seem to pull myself away from Textmate for more than a few days.
Joe Shindelar
On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Michael Favia wrote:
Domenic Santangelo wrote:
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
-- Matt Butcher http://querypath.org http://technosophos.com
I've been using it in combination with MAMP on my machine if that's what you're wondering. Otherwise I'm not really sure as that's my only experience with it. Joe Shindelar On Feb 24, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Matt wrote:
Wow... I've been working on similar support for TextMate/XDebug for a while. But MacGDBp looks like exactly that! I'll have to try it.
Off hand, will it work for local (non server-based) debugging?
Matt
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Joe Shindelar <joe@triangleparkcreative.com> wrote:
I've been using Textmate + MacGDBp for a while and really liking it.
http://www.bluestatic.org/software/macgdbp/
I've tried a few other IDE's but can't ever seem to pull myself away from Textmate for more than a few days.
Joe Shindelar
On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Michael Favia wrote:
Domenic Santangelo wrote:
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
-- Matt Butcher http://querypath.org http://technosophos.com
This is one of my favorites; but my everyday real environment is KDE Dolphin (or else Konqueror in "midnight commander" mode) set up to use GVim as editor for *.php, *.inc *.module... Take a look at the various tools and the way I set them up here: Viva Konqueror! http://awebfactory.com.ar/node/91 Konqueror and Vim 7 as IDE http://awebfactory.com.ar/node/95 (here there is a tiny screenshot of TList being used as a function/object browser in php and in ruby) Even though I love Eclipse PDT, etc., I find myself actually using the Konqueror setup on an every day basis (Konqueror sometimes replaced with the more lithe Dolphin). The advantage of the KDE file managers is that they double as SFTP / SCP / FTP clients. Victor Kane http://awebfactory.com.ar On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Michael Favia <michael@favias.org> wrote:
Domenic Santangelo wrote:
Thoughts? TextMate + some magic to support xdebug maybe?
I know you said you've tried eclipse and don't like it but I have found Eclipse Ganymede + PDT 2.0 (with new caching support) + (new mainline SVN support) + ZendDebugger about the best development environment I have ever touched for PHP. Code completion, collaboration, live debugging with variable substitution, etc. There is a small trick to matching up module vendor branches so you dont spend time doing the SVN/CVS shuffle but nothing too difficult. -mf
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