Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/28420 Post a follow up: http://drupal.org/project/comments/add/28420 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: comment.module Category: bug reports Priority: normal Assigned to: Anonymous Reported by: Jeremy@kerneltrap.org Updated by: Jose A Reyero Status: patch (code needs review) Well, this patch is definitely better than what we have, and would save some spam for sure. But maybe keeping track, at the session level, of generated hashes for a user, and then removing them when the comment is sent, could do the work. This way we can forget about previewing comments or not, and also the "permission" to post the comment would expire when the session expires. Any randomly generated value could do for this, no need for complex hashes, but having nid and pid in the hash would add some extra security. Jose A Reyero Previous comments: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 08 Aug 2005 01:55:34 +0000 : Jeremy@kerneltrap.org Setting "Preview comment" to "Required" does not strictly require that the comment be previewed first. This is being abused by spammers to quickly and efficiently post spam comments. I discovered this after I added a new feature to my new spam module [1] to auto-blacklist spammer IP addresses, allowing me to block comment spammers when they preview a comment and thus preventing them from ever inserting their spam into my database. I configured my comment module to "require" comment previews, and yet found that the comments were slipping past my filter. I finally realized what the spammer is doing is setting $_POST['op'] to 'Post comment', effectively bypassing the preview phase. I'm currently looking for a clean solution to this. At the moment the only idea I have is to generate a token at the preview phase, and validate the token at the post phase. Unfortunately the token would have to be stored in the databse between the preview and the post, which adds overhead. Alternatively, I've considered using a time-based hash which would constantly update depending on the time of day. This could easily be validated without storing anything in the database. If too long has gone between the preview and the post, an additional preview step would be required... The down side here is that the time-based hash would be publically available, and thus the spammer could easily duplicate it in their script. A private key could solve for that, but increases the complexity as it adds a configuration step. I have the feeling I'm missing a simpler, cleaner solution. Suggestions? [1] http://kerneltrap.org/jeremy/drupal/spam/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 08 Aug 2005 02:26:21 +0000 : moshe weitzman even if you get this fixed, won't these bots just add a preview step? this 'preview required' feature is designed to maintain high quality submissions by forcing users to proof read. it isn;t designed for security. i think you want to hook into comment_validate(). just add a hook here - there is already a hook_comment() waiting for you to add an operation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 08 Aug 2005 08:49:30 +0000 : Eaton I posted a patch a few days ago (http://drupal.org/node/28255) that adds validation and form construction hooks for comments. It's similar to the one that the captcha module uses, though it adds comment form_pre and form_post hooks instead of a single comment form hook. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:30:34 +0000 : Jeremy@kerneltrap.org Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/comment.module_11.patch (2.5 KB)

even if you get this fixed, won't these bots just add a preview step?

Eventually, yes, but it drastically changes their ability to fling spam at a site. As is, they simply have a script that shoots data out at high speed without having to wait for messages to return from the server. It is the server that is doing all the work, thus making it simple for a spammer to DoS a site. If "preview required" really meant "preview required", they would be forced to first automate clicking "preview", and then wait for a response before clicking "submit". This requires more resources on their side, and allows us to add delays after clicking "preview" (if we detect that they are a spammer) further using their resources.

this 'preview required' feature is designed to maintain high quality submissions by forcing users to proof read. it isn;t designed for security.

Regardless of the intention, I was misled to believe that configuring my site to require previews would require that all comments were first previewed. As a site administrator, I would prefer to know that "required" really means "required".

i think you want to hook into comment_validate(). just add a hook here - there is already a hook_comment() waiting for you to add an operation.

Yes and no. Ultimately yes that will work and will allow my spam module to prevent the spam from ever being posted. But it still leaves the greatest burden on the web server, instead of on the spammer. The spammer can still use a very simple script that only pushes data, and thus can generate spam at an unbelievable rapid rate. Here is an example patch to enforce "preview required". It's one idea, I'm sure there are better ones. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:01:38 +0000 : Jeremy@kerneltrap.org Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/comment.module_12.patch (1.4 KB) Here's a second version of the patch that doesn't require any manual configuration. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:27:27 +0000 : Jose A Reyero I like this idea, and the patch looks good Still, I think it misses something, like some timestamp related hash, because once you get the hash code you can post multiple comments with that. Another problem I can think of is, what happens when a cron run happens between the preview and the post?? I'm afraid comments would get lost For this second problem, I think a key generated only once after module activation could do. About the first one....mmm... I'll sit down for a while and think..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:27:20 +0000 : Jeremy@kerneltrap.org Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/comment.module_13.patch (1.33 KB)

I think it misses something, like some timestamp related hash, because once you get the hash code you can post multiple comments with that.

Using a timestamp will mean that the comment form "expires". That is, if you wait too long to preview your comment, it will generate an error when you try to post. Yes, technically a spammer could post one real comment, then based on what was in the session from that they could post the same identical comment over and over, so long as it was attached to the same node. But this is not what they do, they try and spread their spam throughout your webpage. Furthermore, the spam module is perfectly capable of detecting and preventing this.

Another problem I can think of is, what happens when a cron run happens between the preview and the post?? I'm afraid comments would get lost

The key is only generated once, that's what the first test is about. In any case, in the unlikely event that the key were to change between preview and post they would simply have to post a second time. My earlier patch wasn't quite right, I was testing the token in the wrong place. This patch fixes that. BTW: This is beneficial for maintaining high quality submissions too, as prior to this change someone could: 1) enter a comment 2) press preview 3) completely change their comment (introducing a mistake) 4) press submit and the comment (mistake and all) would go into the database unpreviewed After this change: 1) enter a comment 2) press preview 3) completely change their comment (introducing a mistake) 4) press submit and they get an error because they didn't preview their changes - forcing them to preview once after any change ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wed, 10 Aug 2005 03:50:33 +0000 : Jeremy@kerneltrap.org FWIW: I've been getting slammed by spam attacks this whole week. Installing this patch has made a huge difference. Well over 100 spam attempts per minute (sometimes two and three times that) and I hardly notice the spammer, whereas before it was choking my database. (Granted, the spammer has not yet upgraded his script to first preview, then submit. But even if he did it wouldn't help him as testing has verified that the new spam module would prevent the comments from ever getting to the database.) Additionally, user and anonymous (nonspam) comments continue to show up at a normal rate. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:08:04 +0000 : Jeremy@kerneltrap.org I would love to see _any_ discussion on this. Drupal is currently too easy to spam, with little effort on the spammer's side, and lots of resources wasted on the Drupal side. A patch like this will greatly increase the spammer's burden, and make it possible to effectively block even the most aggressive spammer attacks.