Re: [development] Getting both better internal and external APIs intoDrupal 7
On 12/31/2007 7:50:22 PM, Khalid Baheyeldin (kb@2bits.com) wrote:
I tried my best to have install profiles named something else (packages, distros), but the counter argument is that it was too late to do it.
This will cause a lot of confusion in the future, unless we give profile. module the bullet of mercy in D6 and replace it with bio (or friends) for example.
It will still be confusing. I think anyone who's familiar with social networking sites will tend to associate "profile" with people, even though it does have other meanings. Michelle
Michelle Cox wrote:
It will still be confusing. I think anyone who's familiar with social networking sites will tend to associate "profile" with people, even though it does have other meanings.
Michelle
Well I missed the initial discussion with this, but agree profile is likely to be confusing. However, I'm not convinced it's too late to change how it's presented. When drupal.org is able to provide complete packages to download - they'll include drupal core + the .profile + modules - so at that point it's not just an install profile any more - the .profile itself is simply one component of a bigger package. So why not make that section of downloads "distributions" (or whatever)? Then profile continues to be what defines the content of a distribution and how it's set up.
On 01.Jan.2008, at 03:28 PM, catch wrote:
So why not make that section of downloads "distributions" (or whatever)? Then profile continues to be what defines the content of a distribution and how it's set up.
+1 KABILLION! / liza
On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:28 PM, catch wrote:
Well I missed the initial discussion with this, but agree profile is likely to be confusing. However, I'm not convinced it's too late to change how it's presented.
I, too, was sounding the alarm on this one months ago... :( The main problem is that the core installer looks for a "profiles" directory in your drupal directory tree. This has been true since D5, and isn't going to change now in D6, either. True, once everything is packaged automagically by d.o into full blown "distributions" (or whatever we call them), we can partly hide this fact from end users. The tarball you download that includes core, the contribs you need, and the install profile, can all be called a "distribution", and it can quietly put the .profile file in the right subdirectory of your "profiles" directory. However, I think Drupal is notorious for changing its mind about terminology, and leaving things in an inconsistent, confusing state ("categories" vs. "taxonomy" rehashed, anyone?). Sure, we can *attempt* to hide some of the ugly details in the name of "our users don't need to know", but that often results in more confusion, not less. :( So long as the installer is looking in your "profiles" directory, for files that end in ".profile", I think the "installation profile" terminology is going to have to stay, as much as that sucks. -Derek (dww)
I doubt that we can change this in Drupal 5 or Drupal 6. But what about Drupal 7? Maybe that can be known as the "terminology release"? Dmitri P.S. 7 is considered a lucky number :-) On Jan 5, 2008 6:42 PM, Derek Wright <drupal@dwwright.net> wrote:
On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:28 PM, catch wrote:
Well I missed the initial discussion with this, but agree profile is likely to be confusing. However, I'm not convinced it's too late to change how it's presented.
I, too, was sounding the alarm on this one months ago... :(
The main problem is that the core installer looks for a "profiles" directory in your drupal directory tree. This has been true since D5, and isn't going to change now in D6, either.
True, once everything is packaged automagically by d.o into full blown "distributions" (or whatever we call them), we can partly hide this fact from end users. The tarball you download that includes core, the contribs you need, and the install profile, can all be called a "distribution", and it can quietly put the .profile file in the right subdirectory of your "profiles" directory.
However, I think Drupal is notorious for changing its mind about terminology, and leaving things in an inconsistent, confusing state ("categories" vs. "taxonomy" rehashed, anyone?). Sure, we can *attempt* to hide some of the ugly details in the name of "our users don't need to know", but that often results in more confusion, not less. :(
So long as the installer is looking in your "profiles" directory, for files that end in ".profile", I think the "installation profile" terminology is going to have to stay, as much as that sucks.
-Derek (dww)
On Jan 5, 2008 9:42 PM, Derek Wright <drupal@dwwright.net> wrote:
On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:28 PM, catch wrote:
Well I missed the initial discussion with this, but agree profile is likely to be confusing. However, I'm not convinced it's too late to change how it's presented.
I, too, was sounding the alarm on this one months ago... :(
I was sounding the alarm too, but was told it was too late. Given the track record of the community, we will change it at some point from profiles to distro/package, leave it like that for two or three release cycle before someone decides it was a bad move, and change it back to profile. [Hint: taxonomy -> category -> taxonomy] Yes, I am being cynical. -- Khalid M. Baheyeldin 2bits.com, Inc. http://2bits.com Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting.
Quoting Derek Wright <drupal@dwwright.net>:
So long as the installer is looking in your "profiles" directory, for files that end in ".profile", I think the "installation profile" terminology is going to have to stay, as much as that sucks.
I don't think the terminology sucks as much as it should have had more discussion prior to implementation. If we rename it, we should look at .profile files becoming .mil files as in Module Implementation Language. This represents well what the .profile file gives us and can't be confused with anything else. Earnie -- http://for-my-kids.com/ -- http://give-me-an-offer.com/
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