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1. Re: FAQ: Why is Drupal still using CVS when X is a much better choice? (Sam Boyer) 2. EER Diagram for MySQL (Brett Stoppel) 3. Re: FAQ: Why is Drupal still using CVS when X is a much better choice? (Lyle Mantooth) 4. Re: EER Diagram for MySQL (Angela Byron) 5. Re: EER Diagram for MySQL (Fr?d?ric G. MARAND) 6. Drupal CVS outage on Tuesday 2008-08-05, 11pm-midnight GMT (Derek Wright) 7. Re: Drupal CVS outage on Tuesday 2008-08-05, 11pm-midnight GMT (Jerad Bitner) 8. Re: Drupal CVS outage on Tuesday 2008-08-05, 11pm-midnight GMT (Marjorie Roswell) 9. Re: Drupal CVS outage on Tuesday 2008-08-05, 11pm-midnight GMT (Kathleen Murtagh)

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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:32:46 -0500 From: Sam Boyer <drupal@samboyer.org> Subject: Re: [development] FAQ: Why is Drupal still using CVS when X is a much better choice? To: development@drupal.org Message-ID: <1217615566.12087.139.camel@thereishope> Content-Type: text/plain

On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 11:18 -0700, Derek Wright wrote:

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On Aug 1, 2008, at 6:26 AM, Adrian Simmons wrote:

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Can we have a commitment that *if* everything needing to be done that Angie kindly listed on http://drupal.org/node/289117 and links therefrom *gets done* we *will* move?

Once upon a time, in a post someone with time and motivation could surely find, Dries wrote something to the effect of:

"I'd be happy to switch to something other than CVS _if all the dependencies on CVS are safely removed and addressed_".

(approximate quote from memory).

- The #1 dependency on CVS is project_release.module. - The #2 dependency on CVS is all the CVS account creation stuff. - The #3 dependency on CVS are the CVS commit log viewing pages, links on project nodes, etc. - The best way to fix all of that is VersionControl API. - There are pages dedicated to what needs to happen to get us closer, already linked from Angie's wonderful document.

If all that work is done, d.o is running VersionControl API with the CVS backend, the SVN backend is demonstrated to be stable and working on project.drupal.org, we've got the packaging script ported and working, we've got the CVS -> SVN import documented and working, we've got all the SVN access control worked out (per project like we have now, preventing commits to tags, etc, etc), we've got something like svn.drupal.org setup care of the OSUOSL, and we've got a team of documentation folks lined up to go nuts, I can pretty safely guarantee that Dries will say "Yay, go for it!".

That still doesn't answer the question of how the choice of SVN vs. XXX will ultimately be decided, nor if decree from Dries is good enough for the switch. The lack of a clear process for making decisions like this continues to haunt us. By default, a decree from Dries (if he's willing to make it) carries the day. If not, I guess decree from Dries on how to decide will be necessary.

Meanwhile, it can't possibly hurt to at least move towards project* + versioncontrol_cvs as a first (monster) step down this path. The other stuff will be pretty easy (relatively speaking) once that's done. Hurray to Sam for volunteering to help. But I can assure you that more resources will be needed to finish the job.

Indeed there will. Help is VERY welcome :)

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Cheers, -Derek (dww)

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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:41:13 -0500 From: "Brett Stoppel" <brett@telosstudios.com> Subject: [development] EER Diagram for MySQL To: development@drupal.org Message-ID: <800700680808011141g3e46b9e9td4cab1d207afe41b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi All.

I am in the process of creating an EER Diagram for Drupal with MySQL Workbench. I have a good start on it, but thought I would ask if one already exists? I find them really helpful for learning the database side of applications. If one doesn't exists, is this the right place to ask questions about the design of the DB? For instance, I am not sure if the column "aid" in Access, Actions, Actions_id, Authmap are primary keys or if they are foreign keys. I would love to get a little more done on the diagram and then upload it for you all to review and make suggestions.

Thanks.

Brett

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