I like hidden-captcha a lot. It's invisible to visitors but is pretty effective against bots. I have one bot a day that gets through. I've also added a mandatory profile question. The label on mine just says "say something so i know you're real". The bots insert junk. If you have a commercial site, CDN and DDoS blocking services like Cloudflare and DosArrest block bots because the bots don't have the same connection signature. Plus you get the performance upgrades of a CDN and site monitoring. -- -Don Pickerel- Fane Software I am working on a new site (Drupal 7) and I have reCaptcha module installed which includes the image captcha as well. This still isn't keeping out the gnats trying to get logins. I have the site set that all new users need to verified with a valid email and the admin needs to authorize the new user but it still hasn't stopped them. I am looking for other ideas where I can limit these issues. I am getting about 15 a day and they seem to be growing. I have a few mandatory fields setup but I don't want to make it totally a pain for new users to put in the valid info. This might be just a cost of having the thing open for new users but if anyone can give me some other ideas on how to stem the tide I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance. -- John J. Boris, Sr. Online Services www.onlinesvc.com <http://www.onlinesvc.com>