Three questions... quite basic.
I hope someone can help me with the following questions, though they seem very basic. 1. I am having a heck of a time figuring out how to get a menu item to open in a new window. If I could find the link, I would insert a "target=_blank" but for whatever reason I cant. 2. I am also having a heck of a time getting a wiki page to show up. I downloaded the module. It shows up in my modules admin page. I have enabled it. I have created a menu item for it that links to "wiki" and I get a "Page not Found" error consistently. There is something basic that I am not understanding. 3. I don't imagine there is something for Drupal akin to FacileForms - a form generator for Mambo/Joomla? I would like to develop a registration form that links to CiviCRM, but right now I am considering authoring some sort of trigger which will move records from my Mambo db to the Drupal db. This could be avoided if I could simply do a form in Drupal. I will limit this email to those points. Thank you very much for your time.
1. I am having a heck of a time figuring out how to get a menu item to open in a new window. If I could find the link, I would insert a "target=_blank" but for whatever reason I cant.
This is not easily done. The only way would be a hackish bit of str_replacing in the HTML templates. Generically speaking, however, target=_blank has been considered inaccessible for a while, and should be carefully reconsidered.
3. I don't imagine there is something for Drupal akin to FacileForms - a form generator for Mambo/Joomla? I would like to develop a registration form that links to CiviCRM, but right now I am considering authoring some sort of trigger which will move records from my Mambo db to the Drupal db. This could be avoided if I could simply do a form in Drupal.
In CiviCRM, you can create a custom Profile, and then get the raw HTML to which you can put on any page, and it'll just Work. -- Morbus Iff ( damn you richards! i will have my revenge! ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus
On Sunday 06 August 2006 14:05, Josh Milane wrote:
2. I am also having a heck of a time getting a wiki page to show up. I downloaded the module. It shows up in my modules admin page. I have enabled it. I have created a menu item for it that links to "wiki" and I get a "Page not Found" error consistently. There is something basic that I am not understanding.
Which module? As far as I know, there is no module that gives you a Wiki only modules that give you Wiki-like fuctionality when and for creating nodes. -- Jason Flatt http://www.oadae.net/ Father of Six: http://www.flattfamily.com/ (Joseph, 13; Cramer, 11; Travis, 9; Angela; Harry, 5; and William, 12:04 am, 12-29-2005) Linux User: http://www.sourcemage.org/ Drupal Fanatic: http://drupal.org/
Wikipage I guess I am doing it wrong. I cant wrap my head around Drupal. -----Original Message----- From: support-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:support-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of Jason Flatt Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:41 AM To: support@drupal.org Subject: Re: [support] Three questions... quite basic. On Sunday 06 August 2006 14:05, Josh Milane wrote:
2. I am also having a heck of a time getting a wiki page to show up. I downloaded the module. It shows up in my modules admin page. I have enabled it. I have created a menu item for it that links to "wiki" and
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get a "Page not Found" error consistently. There is something basic that I am not understanding.
Which module? As far as I know, there is no module that gives you a Wiki only modules that give you Wiki-like fuctionality when and for creating nodes. -- Jason Flatt http://www.oadae.net/ Father of Six: http://www.flattfamily.com/ (Joseph, 13; Cramer, 11; Travis, 9; Angela; Harry, 5; and William, 12:04 am, 12-29-2005) Linux User: http://www.sourcemage.org/ Drupal Fanatic: http://drupal.org/ -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]
On 8/10/06, Josh Milane <jmilane@ulem.org> wrote:
Wikipage
I guess I am doing it wrong.
Did you enable the correct access control for the module?
I cant wrap my head around Drupal.
It can be little confusing at first (as are all CMS/CBF), but gets easier and is well worth a little effort. Regards, Greg -- Greg Knaddison | Growing Venture Solutions Denver, CO | http://growingventuresolutions.com Technology Solutions for Communities, Individuals, and Small Businesses
I'm the project manager for a large website. I've been hired to take over for a contract that is 3 months overdue. The programmer chose drupal and has a substantial but not-functional site designed. The owner wants to use the design, but doesn't like drupal's layout which is more suited for blogs than a commercial venue. I offered to copy the drupal layout into HTML pages and solve the infamous drupal screen resizing problems. This also allows us to walk-around drupal on its other limitations such as custom templates not fitting standard modules. The problems getting drupal to output back IN to the HTML. I've no problem submitting the data correctly, but drupal always "wants" to output a full html page when all I want it to do is give me back the SQL data and some content. When I use a FORM action I can direct drupal to another page, but this only works haphazardly, and I'd like a more seemless interaction with drupal NOT handling the HTML! I really need some suggestions on this. The drupal programmer went on VACATION with the contract still unfilled and now four months overdue. We are paying 250.00 a day in site expenses until I can solve this problem, allowing us to terminate the contract and apply for remunerations. If it were not for the active and supportive drupal community, this programmer would have burned me forever - causing me to hate drupal. We bought the drupal book and I've been using it, and I'm slowly starting to like it, despite its limitations. I've only been learning drupal for 45 days and have this dysfunctional site dropped in my lap so I've really got my hands full: deciding which directions to lead, reviewing whether to abandon the entire product, to continue using drupal, and so on. This is quite a headache. Has anyone else had this happen to them? What did you do? My reaction after nearly 2 months at this, trying to squeeze more work out of a contractor, is to ditch drupal and use straight html with a shopping cart from our host company. I don't hate it, but it stands between us and commercial success. D Greg Knaddison - GVS <Greg@GrowingVentureSolutions.com> wrote: On 8/10/06, Josh Milane wrote:
Wikipage
I guess I am doing it wrong.
Did you enable the correct access control for the module?
I cant wrap my head around Drupal.
It can be little confusing at first (as are all CMS/CBF), but gets easier and is well worth a little effort. Regards, Greg -- Greg Knaddison | Growing Venture Solutions Denver, CO | http://growingventuresolutions.com Technology Solutions for Communities, Individuals, and Small Businesses -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ] --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
"Mil Imon" wrote:
No No, directness helps a lot.
Taking you at your word...here are some direct thoughts...
I'm the project manager for a large website.
Okay. :-|
I've been hired to take over for a contract that is 3 months overdue. The programmer chose drupal and has a substantial but not-functional site designed. The owner wants to use the design, but doesn't like drupal's layout which is more suited for blogs than a commercial venue.
That's an opinion which is, I think, flawed. Since you've inherited the project, perhaps your understanding of the range of Drupal's capabilities is a bit more narrow than it needs to be.
I offered to copy the drupal layout into HTML pages and solve the infamous drupal screen resizing problems.
"infamous drupal screen resizing problems"? That's the first I've heard of this, so I would really conclude that "infamous" is the wrong word (besides actually _being_ the wrong word in other ways as well. ;) Any "screen resizing problems" are related to HTML + CSS and not to Drupal, which is a PHP content engine.
This also allows us to walk-around drupal on its other limitations such as custom templates not fitting standard modules.
"Custom" and "standard" should be flags for you. Something that is "custom" would have its own set of responsibilities and would not be considered a limitation of Drupal.
The problems getting drupal to output back IN to the HTML. I've no problem submitting the data correctly, but drupal always "wants" to output a full html page when all I want it to do is give me back the SQL data and some content.
When I use a FORM action I can direct drupal to another page, but this only works haphazardly, and I'd like a more seemless interaction with drupal NOT handling the HTML!
Er? Yeah, I would guess that using a CMS to do nothing but dig for SQL queries is a bit of overkill. If you're a web programmer, then perhaps you should be focusing on PHP and not on Drupal, per se. That really might be the best course for you right now, since you essentially are saying that you would like to use Drupal's PHP code but not have it display anything to the view port (browser, etc.)
The drupal programmer went on VACATION with the contract still unfilled and now four months overdue.
Hmm. Okay, it's either 3 months overdue, or 4 months.
We are paying 250.00 a day in site expenses until I can solve this problem, allowing us to terminate the contract and apply for remunerations.
Sounds like you need: a) a much better hosting plan (no site that I've ever heard of costs that amount or there simply would not be a "web".) b) some legal advice, as it reads here like you're not only "contracted" to finish the site but also somehow involved now in "remunerations" [which should not even be on your radar] c) lots of reading about Drupal, because apparently this just isn't the software for you [Drupal runs _many_ commercial web sites and is not a "blog engine", so your understanding of this software is already just a bit skewed]. I can solve your $250 per day problem right now. Email me and I'll drop your costs to about $0.07 per day. How's that for earning your keep with your new "client"...you'll be the hero for many months to come. (Of course, I could just drop your costs to, say, $100 per day and then you'll still be hero and I can be even more happy that with the $0.07 arrangement I suggested.) All in all: I think your post is really not a question at all, but a kind of "dig" intended to rattle the cage and make you feel like someone else can solve your problem. Lookit: If you can't handle the Drupal stuff, then you've only compounded the problem and you will not be helpful to this "client" who pays exorbitant rates for a web site. But, that's just my opinion. Perhaps the Support list is better for you than the Developers list. (That's a real suggestion, since I think you need a more basic entrée into the workings of Drupal.) Over and out.
"inkfree press" wrote:
Perhaps the Support list is better for you than the Developers list. (That's a real suggestion, since I think you need a more basic entrée into the workings of Drupal.)
And, of course, you are doing just that. Oops. My bad on that one. 8-|
inkfree press wrote:
"Mil Imon" wrote:
No No, directness helps a lot.
I've been hired to take over for a contract that is 3 months overdue. The programmer chose drupal and has a substantial but not-functional site designed. The owner wants to use the design, but doesn't like drupal's layout which is more suited for blogs than a commercial venue.
That's an opinion which is, I think, flawed. Since you've inherited the project, perhaps your understanding of the range of Drupal's capabilities is a bit more narrow than it needs to be.
I have developed a commercial site which is based on Drupal and you would never know it was based on drupal. Well, not until you look at the events pages and see the tell-tale events.module calendar. I agree with inkfree, you need to find out how to theme Drupal, and it sounds like you need to buy a few CSS books as well. -- Martin Tomes echo 'martin at tomes x org x uk'\ | sed -e 's/ x /\./g' -e 's/ at /@/' Visit http://www.subversionary.org/
thanks for the insults guys! I really appreciate your "help" Keep up the bad work. Don Martin Tomes <lists@tomes.org> wrote: inkfree press wrote:
"Mil Imon" wrote:
No No, directness helps a lot.
I've been hired to take over for a contract that is 3 months overdue. The programmer chose drupal and has a substantial but not-functional site designed. The owner wants to use the design, but doesn't like drupal's layout which is more suited for blogs than a commercial venue.
That's an opinion which is, I think, flawed. Since you've inherited the project, perhaps your understanding of the range of Drupal's capabilities is a bit more narrow than it needs to be.
I have developed a commercial site which is based on Drupal and you would never know it was based on drupal. Well, not until you look at the events pages and see the tell-tale events.module calendar. I agree with inkfree, you need to find out how to theme Drupal, and it sounds like you need to buy a few CSS books as well. -- Martin Tomes echo 'martin at tomes x org x uk'\ | sed -e 's/ x /\./g' -e 's/ at /@/' Visit http://www.subversionary.org/ -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ] --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
WOW! This is the BEST flame yet! So, by not agreeing that drupal is god, and by not knowing all about it from day one, I'm a total ass! THANKS SO MUCH! I can see how the UNLIMITED effort you put into this "support" forum is keeping TONS of new people from bothering you with their problems. I *apologize profusely* for troubling and annoying anyone with my difficulties in using Drupal and apparently, the internet itself, for I must be a total idiot. How did I learn how to type and breath at the same time? It is my own fault for coming to a mailing list titled "support" and expecting that someone might actually offer constructive criticism. That's probably available on usenet at alt.reality.net. It is my *unpardonable sin* to express my opinion of drupal. For that I most humbly apologize, and I swear I'll never disagree with you again, for you are in all likelihood, GODLIKE and flawless in form, and beauty. I am an ugly worm. Obviously, drupal is _way_too_cool_ for the likes of stodgy old business types like me! How dare I want to take over a website and fix it! What balls I must have. How dare I take my problems online and ask for assistance, when clearly my problems are entirely my own psychosis that have nothing to do with software, et al. Don Lee who is: 41. Holds a Top Secret clearance. A custodial single father for 12 years now. Programs in 27 languages. Speaks 3 languages. Writes scifi novels as a hobby. Is published. Has an IQ of 163. And obviously, must be a total moron because he doesn't know drupal. // bows. // Thank you and good day. inkfree press <inkfree@gmail.com> wrote: "Mil Imon" wrote:
No No, directness helps a lot.
Taking you at your word...here are some direct thoughts...
I'm the project manager for a large website.
Okay. :-|
I've been hired to take over for a contract that is 3 months overdue. The programmer chose drupal and has a substantial but not-functional site designed. The owner wants to use the design, but doesn't like drupal's layout which is more suited for blogs than a commercial venue.
That's an opinion which is, I think, flawed. Since you've inherited the project, perhaps your understanding of the range of Drupal's capabilities is a bit more narrow than it needs to be.
I offered to copy the drupal layout into HTML pages and solve the infamous drupal screen resizing problems.
"infamous drupal screen resizing problems"? That's the first I've heard of this, so I would really conclude that "infamous" is the wrong word (besides actually _being_ the wrong word in other ways as well. ;) Any "screen resizing problems" are related to HTML + CSS and not to Drupal, which is a PHP content engine.
This also allows us to walk-around drupal on its other limitations such as custom templates not fitting standard modules.
"Custom" and "standard" should be flags for you. Something that is "custom" would have its own set of responsibilities and would not be considered a limitation of Drupal.
The problems getting drupal to output back IN to the HTML. I've no problem submitting the data correctly, but drupal always "wants" to output a full html page when all I want it to do is give me back the SQL data and some content.
When I use a FORM action I can direct drupal to another page, but this only works haphazardly, and I'd like a more seemless interaction with drupal NOT handling the HTML!
Er? Yeah, I would guess that using a CMS to do nothing but dig for SQL queries is a bit of overkill. If you're a web programmer, then perhaps you should be focusing on PHP and not on Drupal, per se. That really might be the best course for you right now, since you essentially are saying that you would like to use Drupal's PHP code but not have it display anything to the view port (browser, etc.)
The drupal programmer went on VACATION with the contract still unfilled and now four months overdue.
Hmm. Okay, it's either 3 months overdue, or 4 months.
We are paying 250.00 a day in site expenses until I can solve this problem, allowing us to terminate the contract and apply for remunerations.
Sounds like you need: a) a much better hosting plan (no site that I've ever heard of costs that amount or there simply would not be a "web".) b) some legal advice, as it reads here like you're not only "contracted" to finish the site but also somehow involved now in "remunerations" [which should not even be on your radar] c) lots of reading about Drupal, because apparently this just isn't the software for you [Drupal runs _many_ commercial web sites and is not a "blog engine", so your understanding of this software is already just a bit skewed]. I can solve your $250 per day problem right now. Email me and I'll drop your costs to about $0.07 per day. How's that for earning your keep with your new "client"...you'll be the hero for many months to come. (Of course, I could just drop your costs to, say, $100 per day and then you'll still be hero and I can be even more happy that with the $0.07 arrangement I suggested.) All in all: I think your post is really not a question at all, but a kind of "dig" intended to rattle the cage and make you feel like someone else can solve your problem. Lookit: If you can't handle the Drupal stuff, then you've only compounded the problem and you will not be helpful to this "client" who pays exorbitant rates for a web site. But, that's just my opinion. Perhaps the Support list is better for you than the Developers list. (That's a real suggestion, since I think you need a more basic entrée into the workings of Drupal.) Over and out. -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ] --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com
"Mil Imon" wrote:
It is my own fault for coming to a mailing list titled "support" and expecting that someone might actually offer constructive criticism.
Agreed. Constructive help comes from constructive questions. That must step one. After that, you will find that so many people here are both able and willing to assist where they can. I think you're on the right track with what you've written above, so that's at least a step forward. I do hope that you can find a way to articulate some real questions and then ask them in a way that is separate from whatever subjective experience you've had with this other person who has bailed on you. (That always tastes sour, and I'm sorry you have to deal with the clean-up.) All good stuff.
Mil Imon wrote: Dear Mr. Imon, thank you for contacting our complaints department. We at drupal.org strive to make the make out clients' Drupal experience as fullfilling as possible. We however have to rely on our workforce of unpaid volunteers who sometimes lack the neccessary degree of sophistication when dealing with our estimated clients. We profusely apologize for these shortcomings and any inconvenience caused. As a recompensation we'd like to offer you a royalty free download of our latest product, the Drupal 4.7.4 preview which only you can download at http://drupal.org/drupal-4.7-cvs We hope that you will remain a happy Drupal user. With best regards, Gerhard Killesreiter Complaints department drupal.org
It's not my place, but I have to say that I think the response to Mil Imon that's best for Drupal would not be ones that makes him strongly dislike, collectively, the many great people who offer advice on the Drupal support list.
From the limited information we have, it would appear that the main problems are due to a bad theme. So the advice may have to be to scrap the theme, find a solid theme at http://drupal.org/project/Themes and change to make it look like the one you have, and override themeing functions for particular modules only as necessary. Nick Lewis has a good tutorial on theming: http://www.nicklewis.org/node/850
But the response I think would be best for Drupal, and Mr. Imon, is for someone to e-mail "hey, I know something about Drupal theming, will you pay me to help out." If we don't have people hungry enough to make offers on tough jobs (and smart enough to lurk on the support list), that's going to hurt Drupal. I'm not walking the walk, because too much is happening right now that has to settle down for Agaric Design <http://agaricdesign.com/> to offer to help. There's a site I'm not familiar with except to know it exists called http://www.drupalancers.com/ should Mr. Imon decide that quickly hiring someone for Drupal theming is the best course. - ben melançon part of the Agaric Design multimedia collective :: http://agaricdesign.com/:: Open Source Web Development On 8/16/06, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerhard@killesreiter.de> wrote:
Mil Imon wrote:
Dear Mr. Imon,
thank you for contacting our complaints department.
We at drupal.org strive to make the make out clients' Drupal experience as fullfilling as possible.
We however have to rely on our workforce of unpaid volunteers who sometimes lack the neccessary degree of sophistication when dealing with our estimated clients.
We profusely apologize for these shortcomings and any inconvenience caused.
As a recompensation we'd like to offer you a royalty free download of our latest product, the Drupal 4.7.4 preview which only you can download at http://drupal.org/drupal-4.7-cvs
We hope that you will remain a happy Drupal user.
With best regards, Gerhard Killesreiter Complaints department drupal.org -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]
I did. Everyone has every permission at this juncture. Thanks, J -----Original Message----- From: support-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:support-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of Greg Knaddison - GVS Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:14 AM To: support@drupal.org Subject: Re: [support] Three questions... quite basic. On 8/10/06, Josh Milane <jmilane@ulem.org> wrote:
Wikipage
I guess I am doing it wrong.
Did you enable the correct access control for the module?
I cant wrap my head around Drupal.
It can be little confusing at first (as are all CMS/CBF), but gets easier and is well worth a little effort. Regards, Greg -- Greg Knaddison | Growing Venture Solutions Denver, CO | http://growingventuresolutions.com Technology Solutions for Communities, Individuals, and Small Businesses -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]
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Agaric Design -
Gerhard Killesreiter -
Greg Knaddison - GVS -
inkfree press -
Jason Flatt -
Josh Milane -
Martin Tomes -
Mil Imon -
Morbus Iff