language code problem (for kurdish)
Hi all, I would translate Drupal into Kurdish (Kurmancî). I got cvs account and i created a project named Kurdish Kurmancî. I would use ku_KU as language code for Kurmancî, but i got that message "- We normally use iso639 2 letter language codes for Drupal, ie for Kurdish it is ku" all of otehr projects -like Mozilla Firefox, Google- would we use ku as language code. That is because they don't know any thing about Kurdish language(s). Kurdish is a languages family as Scandinavian. After i start to translate Drupal into Kurdish Kurmancî, some other friends started to translate into Kurdish Soranî. We are translating Drupal into two languages but we have one language code (ku). will one of us stop to translating Drupal because that problem? No, i don't think so. I have allready created ku, ku_KU, so_KU in CVS directory. I would Drupal will let us to use ku_KU and so_Ku as languages codes. *Maybe you would see that big mistake : http://www.google.com/intl/ku/ That is Kurdish page of Google. When you open that page, you will some some thing in latin letters (Kurmancî) and some other things in arabic letters (Soranî). I hope Drupal will not fall in same mistake. Best regards, Amed Çeko Jiyan
Hey Amed, On Jan 18, 2008 2:00 AM, Amed Çeko Jiyan <amedcj@gmail.com> wrote:
I would translate Drupal into Kurdish (Kurmancî). I got cvs account and i created a project named Kurdish Kurmancî. I would use ku_KU as language code for Kurmancî, but i got that message "- We normally use iso639 2 letter language codes for Drupal, ie for Kurdish it is ku" all of otehr projects -like Mozilla Firefox, Google- would we use ku as language code. That is because they don't know any thing about Kurdish language(s). Kurdish is a languages family as Scandinavian. After i start to translate Drupal into Kurdish Kurmancî, some other friends started to translate into Kurdish Soranî. We are translating Drupal into two languages but we have one language code (ku). will one of us stop to translating Drupal because that problem? No, i don't think so. I have allready created ku, ku_KU, so_KU in CVS directory. I would Drupal will let us to use ku_KU and so_Ku as languages codes.
*Maybe you would see that big mistake : http://www.google.com/intl/ku/ That is Kurdish page of Google. When you open that page, you will some some thing in latin letters (Kurmancî) and some other things in arabic letters (Soranî). I hope Drupal will not fall in same mistake.
Well, Drupal 5 and before uses the ISO 639 language codes. With Drupal 6, we are migrating to the RFC 4646 codes, which supersede the ISO 639 codes as far as W3C directions go. (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4646.txt) It is important to choose interoperable language codes, because when browsers send what is their preferred language, Drupal can only choose the right one for display, if the browser and Drupal use the same format. So we try to follow standards. I looked into the registry for information on how this is handled there: http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry. Looks like the IANA does not "know about" (to borrow your words) Kurmancî or Soranî either. May it be that there are some other / alternate names for these variants, which are registered there? It would be great to do this to the letter of the standards, so I'd ask you to collaborate and think this through first :) Gabor
2008/1/18, Amed Çeko Jiyan <amedcj@gmail.com>:
[...] That is because they don't know any thing about Kurdish language(s). Kurdish is a languages family as Scandinavian. After i start to translate Drupal into Kurdish Kurmancî, some other friends started to translate into Kurdish Soranî. We are translating Drupal into two languages but we have one language code (ku). [...]
So there is no language "Kurdish"? According to Wikipedia, Kurdish is considered by some to be in three parts (Northern (Kurmanji), Central (Sorani), and Southern (Zaza-Gorani)), although this is also a topic of linguistic debate.[1] However, as I'm very much *for* spreading both languages and dialects, I'd say: Just use the ISO 639-3 codes! "kmr" for Kurmanji and "ckb" for Sorani. (By the way, I only investigated this as I am Scandinavian meself (Danish, to be exact)... >_>)
[...] I have allready created ku, ku_KU, so_KU in CVS directory. I would Drupal will let us to use ku_KU and so_Ku as languages codes.
so_KU would mean "Somali, as spoken in KU" (apparently, there's no "ku" country code[2]). I'm pretty sure this is not your intention. :) Again, I'd say: Go with the ISO 639-3 codes I listed above. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_language#Dialects [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2 -- Frederik 'Freso' S. Olesen <http://freso.dk/>
On Jan 18, 2008 9:34 PM, Frederik 'Freso' S. Olesen <freso.dk@gmail.com> wrote:
2008/1/18, Amed Çeko Jiyan <amedcj@gmail.com>:
[...] That is because they don't know any thing about Kurdish language(s). Kurdish is a languages family as Scandinavian. After i start to translate Drupal into Kurdish Kurmancî, some other friends started to translate into Kurdish Soranî. We are translating Drupal into two languages but we have one language code (ku). [...]
So there is no language "Kurdish"? According to Wikipedia, Kurdish is considered by some to be in three parts (Northern (Kurmanji), Central (Sorani), and Southern (Zaza-Gorani)), although this is also a topic of linguistic debate.[1] However, as I'm very much *for* spreading both languages and dialects, I'd say: Just use the ISO 639-3 codes! "kmr" for Kurmanji and "ckb" for Sorani.
Well, we need to stick to one standard, which is used around the web, so we use the RCF4646 system, as explained in a previous mail, which is supposed to handle such issues. I called for those with better knowledge of Kurdish languages to look around that RCF in the hopes that there is something defined which is better suitable for our case. Gabor
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Amed Çeko Jiyan -
Frederik 'Freso' S. Olesen -
Gábor Hojtsy