[consulting] and they call it drupalcamp

Thu Feb 23 07:52:19 UTC 2006

Why don't we just put some pages up - have people interested in doing
the teaching put up locations and dates - then have folks indicate their
interest?  We'll see pretty quickly how it is shaking out.

Dan
> Not sure who said it but i think that regional is very important.  these
> things will get easier the more they are done. and because all it takes
> is the a room, a presenter or two and an organizer (and people and an
> internet connection as dan said), they can happen close together (in
> time) and geographically disbursed.
>
> as far as profit goes, i don't think that anyone has any illusions about
> these things costing money for the attendees.  They will have costs
> associated with them: the time of the trainer(s) and the organizer(s),
> cost of space, food, equipment, etc...
>
> As long as the curriculum is Copy Left and grows with the camps, i don't
> see any problem in people being compensated for their time.
>
> It might makes sense for organizations to sponsor or seek sponsorship
> for the camps, but they could also be completely participant supported. 
> I spent a fair amount of money on a 2 day training not long ago, and
> considering that there is work aplenty, any investment in learning
> drupal should be recouped rather quickly doing drupal deployment.
>
> I think that a cost of $300 to $500 for two days f intensive training in
> a class limited to perhaps 15 participants per instructor, max, is
> reasonable.  That is $4500 to $7500 per class which should cover costs
> and the time for instructors/organizers as well as might cover
> additional cost for documentation and curriculum development.
>
> Participants could pay their own way, or maybe be sponsored by a shop,
> and would be responsible for their own housing.
>
> Rich mentioned focused sessions, and that is also a good idea, it
> probably makes sense to touch on more than just one focused area of
> drupal development/deployment but focus on a particular facet.
>
> Lastly, as Dan mentions: time is really of the essence.  If we planned
> for a camp around the NTEN NTC it would be in the heart of Plone
> country, but also not far from vancouver.  Airfare is not that bad to
> Seattle, and there seems to be lots of housing.  Penguin Day is
> currently scheduled for the 25th, but for some folks learning drupal
> would be more important that the general PD activities, the training
> could also take place on sunday and monday to accommodate PD.  or could
> take place on monday (20th) and tuesday (21st) before NTC even begins. 
> or the weekend of the 18/19
>
>
> -Gregory
> Dan Robinson wrote:
>   
>> Anybody think we could do this sooner?  like 2-3 weeks from now?  We've
>> had to turn away work recently because there is just too much.  I happen
>> to know that other Drupal shops who were approached re: the same work
>> are also slammed and don't have bandwidth.  On location -
>>
>> NY - You get Boston, DC, Philly for the price of one - yes it is more
>> expensive - key thing would be to arrange very cheap housing.
>> SF - cheaper - not as dense a population - more likely to find crash space.
>>
>> I think we need to get this done :)
>>
>> Dan
>>   
>>     
>>> As posted here:
>>> http://www.zacker.org/drupal-camp
>>>
>>> The CivicActions folks are starting to organize the first "Drupal
>>> Camp", a multi-day intensive Drupal developer training program.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>> Every Drupal shop I know of is in a crunch of Drupal development
>>> talent. The limit on their ability to take on more and bigger projects
>>> is not from lack of sales leads or lack of management capability, it
>>> is simply there are not enough seasoned developers on hand to pay to
>>> work on Drupal development projects. An experienced and talented
>>> web-application developer will take a bit of time to learn Drupal
>>> inside and out and get up to speed developing complex websites, so it
>>> is not simply a matter of bringing in fresh talent, we need fresh
>>> Drupal talent. The Drupal economy is rocketing skyward and this
>>> problem will only become more intense in the forseable future. This is
>>> an immediate and growing problem that we need to start solving now.
>>>
>>> Who?
>>>
>>>    1. Drupal newbies sponsored by their parent companies
>>> (CivicActions, Trellon, etc)
>>>    2. Drupal engineering experts to lead the class. Anyone up for
>>> this? :) (Matt Westgate, Crunchywelch provided he doesn't drown?).
>>>    3. Other Drupal folks in the neighborhood also might want to get
>>> together for a code sprint or to discuss Drupal projects.
>>>
>>> When?
>>> At Vancouver Josh and I floated out the idea of doing it in
>>> conjunction with the Personal Democracy Forum on May 15th. This dates
>>> works with me, does it sound reasonable to you?
>>>
>>> Where?
>>> If we do it in NYC in conjunction with PDF, I can think of two
>>> possiblities off the top of my head:
>>>
>>>    1. The Tank
>>>    2. EyeBeam
>>>
>>> I will follow up with my contacts at both of these venues tomorrow.
>>> Does anyone know of another possible venue?
>>>
>>> Curriculum
>>>
>>> We should make sure that whatever is taugh and learned at "Drupal
>>> Camp" is recorded and synthesized for posterity. We want to have many
>>> more of these in the future so we should aim for publish-able
>>> curriculum that can be later posted on Drupal.org.
>>>
>>> Next Steps?
>>>
>>>    1. Gregory Heller is organizing a consultant conference call to
>>> talk about this and other issues shortly on the consultat mailinglist.
>>>    2. David Geilhufe proposed we look into the former Ars Digita
>>> training camps. I'll sign up to follow up and do some research and try
>>> to talk to folks involved in organizing them.
>>>    3. We need to figure out a data / location. Unless someone can come
>>> up with a better data / location than PDF on May 15th let's go with
>>> that. I will start looking seriously into venues tomorrow.
>>>    4. We need to line up the teaching staff and get firm commitments
>>> from vendors to sponsor newbies. I can take this on starting Friday.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> -Zack
>>>
>>> On Feb 22, 2006, at 5:59 PM, Gregory Heller wrote:
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> Perhaps the problem sets could include things like:
>>>> Port a contributed module from 4.6 to 4.7?
>>>> Integrate bug fixes or patches for a module
>>>>
>>>> they could be submitted by the community, or culled from the forum
>>>> http://drupal.org/forum/51
>>>> any revenue generated could go to defray costs for space, food,
>>>> trainer's and organizer's time, back to drupal, and maybe to the
>>>> "student" in an amount no greater than the cost of the camp (if there is
>>>> a cost associated).
>>>>
>>>> Another option could be completing an entire website project for a non
>>>> profit organization.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Geilhufe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> Back in the dot com boom, a company called ARS Digita did "boot
>>>>> camps."  I like the name "Drupal Camp"
>>>>>
>>>>> These basically were 2-5 day training sessions for developers. You
>>>>> went the camp, learned some basics and then completed some "problem
>>>>> sets" collaboratively with the folks at the boot camp. A problem set
>>>>> would be something like creating a module. Perhaps the problems could
>>>>> be something like:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Create a basic module.
>>>>> 2. Create a module that exercises parts of the Drupal API thoroughly.
>>>>> 3. Create a new theme
>>>>> 4. ?
>>>>>
>>>>> This would also be a great addition to the handbook for folks to
>>>>> self-study.
>>>>>
>>>>> If someone with more drupal skills were to work with me, we could come
>>>>> up with a few problem sets to start putting together on the Handbook.
>>>>> david
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
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