[consulting] Drupal Certification (was: General consultant'svent)

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg Alex at ZivTech.com
Mon Aug 10 14:23:06 UTC 2009

Any other meaningless clamoring we should stop wasting our precious
bandwidth discussing? And I don't know which marketplace you've been talking
to, but the ones I talk to think there needs to be a better way to show
(outside of simply pointing to d.o. or listing your contributions to the
community, like so: http://www.zivtech.com/community/contributions) that a
firm/individual is a Professional Drupal Developer/Development Shop. (Have
your marketplace call my marketplace and we'll see if we can come to an

Seriously- if you think it's meaningless don't respond, but why attempt to
stifle what many (*obviously*) see as a worthwhile topic?

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Nancy Wichmann <nan_wich at bellsouth.net>wrote:

>  Dries Buytaert wrote:
>> While I'm skeptic about certification programs myself, I also see value in
>> them.   In a way, a masters degree from MIT or a PhD from Stanford is also a
>> certification.  Granted, there are many examples of bad certification
>> programs, but there are also examples of valuable certification programs;
>> e.g. the CISCO certification program is very thorough, hands-on and valued
>> by the market.
> "Valued by the market" is a very subjective term. True, there may be some
> companies that feel it shows something, but there are almost certainly many
> other companies that feel that they don't want to pay for a "certified
> xxxx." For example, I am a certified project manager (PMP) and many job ads
> say "PMP preferred." However, I have never seen a company that absolutely
> insists on it, even though it demonstrates a certain level of education,
> training, and experience. And I have never seen an instance of it generating
> a higher pay rate (although IBM has certain rules that partially apply).
> As far as a "commercial entity at the heart," of course that's going to
> happen, whether it be the DA or a spin-off. The administrators of any
> certification are going to find it to be a full-time job and are going to
> need a salary. That means there will be membership and testing fees at the
> very least. No one will do this out of their love for the community. Look at
> the Project Management Institute (pmi.org) as an example.
> In short, certification will always mean more to the person who is
> certified than it will to the person hiring him/her. It is not a panacea
> guaranteeing a good Drupalista. I know project managers who are certified
> and yet horrible at it; likewise I know PMs who are not certified and
> excellent at it.
> When I see teh marketplace clammoring for a certification, I might support
> it. But until that happens, stop wasting the bandwidth discussing it. It is
> simply meaningless.
> Nancy E. Wichmann, PMP
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> King, Jr.
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