[consulting] Drupal workers' interests [was Drupal Certification]

[Ayen Designs]

So if I disagree, I have to show proof of my knowledge, while you can 
just state your case like Microsoft being an example of argument for 
unions resulting in a superior product?  I really don't need to go and 
get contracts to post. If a teacher is a coach after school (here..I can 
only speak for the U.S.), they get paid. If they have a free period and 
want to let art students gather and create something, and they will 
merely supervise them without even teaching, they have to be paid for 
that hour.


I think it's just a difference in result and economy. Here, in the U.S. 
there are arguments for trade unions in certain circumstances, but 
having had them longer than anywhere else (not talking about guilds), 
the result has not been positive for non-production-line work (which is 
why most of the country is not union labor for that type of work, and 
for all work), and why we are buying products from other countries more 
and more, because when the market dictates a lower price, in many cases 
the company ends up closing because union contracts prevent the kind of 
rapid changes that would be necessary to respond.


I don't think you would a majority in favor of a union in the U.S. for 
our work. First of all, union employees here are almost always hourly. 
Secondly, we have been free to organize at any point in the last 30 
years (the 30 being just a figure to represent how long software 
development has been a large 'trade') and no one has. Perhaps Microsoft, 
but I don't know if the developers there, as opposed to the other 
positions, are Union.



Victor Kane wrote:

> To continue a serious discussion, you would need to show proof of your 
> affirmations.
>
> Since plenty of teachers volunteer for plenty of things, I think your 
> facts are suspect.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Ayen Designs <info at ayendesigns.com 
> <mailto:info at ayendesigns.com>> wrote:
>
>     One other point. Union contracts forbid their members from doing
>     work at no pay. For example, a union teacher cannot volunteer to
>     spend her free time overseeing an informal or unofficial class or
>     activity. That would make Open Source contributors the 'scabs' ...
>     those who do something to undermine the union.
>
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