[consulting] Acceptable Job Postings

Fri Aug 28 01:05:27 UTC 2009

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Sam Cohen <sam at samcohen.com> wrote:

> My 2 cents on this is that this is supposed to be a list for consultants,
> so consultants posting jobs for other consultants -- subcontracting,
> freelancers, full time jobs - would make sense.
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That was going to be my comment too.  I have gotten work from this list.  I
do a fair amount of working helping other companies learn to do drupal for
themselves.  My roll is being a consultant to them.  I also think those sort
of people are specially looking for a consultant.

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> While someone who is not a consultant joining this list to post a job
> wouldn't be cool.

For now the job posting traffic seems acceptable.

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> But I'd like to ask the list owner to just set some specific ground rules,
> because these conversations about what is and what is not acceptable don't
> really accomplish anything.
>

1. Post a job if you are a consultant looking for other consultants
2. If you are an outside company looking for a consultant.

Unacceptable

1. Headhunters, job agencies
2. People not in need of a consultant, then can just post on
drupal.orgproper in any of the locations already available.

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> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Cameron Eagans <cweagans at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> Hey Ryan,
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>> Well, I guess you tell me:  http://groups.drupal.org/node/5383/jobs
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>> I run a business, so I'm not really looking for anything full time.
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>> I guess I just enjoy the prospect of jobs coming to me, instead of having
>> to dig through hundreds/thousands of job postings on g.d.o. Lazy? Sure.
>> Effective? Absolutely.
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>> But yeah, I would absolutely +1 a [Jobs] list.
>> -----
>> Cameron Eagans
>> Owner, Black Storms Studios, LLC
>> http://www.blackstormsstudios.com
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>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Ryan Cross <drupal at ryancross.com> wrote:
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>>> Hey Cameron,
>>>
>>> Is there a reason you don't get enough job postings on your relevant
>>> http://groups.drupal.org or even http://groups.drupal.org/jobs ?
>>>
>>> Also there is the market place in the forums -
>>> http://drupal.org/paid-services There is also the potentially less
>>> relevant forum (but still commercial services oriented)
>>> http://drupal.org/hosting-support
>>>
>>> I just find there are somewhat opposing needs from discussing business
>>> topics with other people and having to put on your "professional face"
>>> in front of clients.
>>>
>>> -Ryan
>>>
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>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Cameron Eagans<cweagans at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > While I agree with you, the reason that I joined this list in the first
>>> > place was because I thought that there would be frequent job postings.
>>> As a
>>> > college student running a Drupal shop, I need all the help I can get
>>> finding
>>> > new work.
>>> >
>>> > That said, I agree with you.
>>> >
>>> > Would it be too much of a hassle to split job postings off into a
>>> [Jobs]
>>> > list?
>>> >
>>> > If/when that happens, I would join that list, but until then, I think
>>> the
>>> > consultants list is the best place for job postings at the moment.
>>> > -----
>>> > Cameron Eagans
>>> > Owner, Black Storms Studios, LLC
>>> > http://www.blackstormsstudios.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Ryan Cross <drupal at ryancross.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> This is not directed at anyone in particular (i.e. Sam) but I'm
>>> >> curious how other people feel about job postings on this mailing list.
>>> >> I personally would expect this list to be used for discussions between
>>> >> consultants/shops and mostly around issues facing us that do not
>>> >> necessarily get addressed by other outlets (i.e. not technical or
>>> >> development questions, theming functions, etc). I would generally
>>> >> expect discussions around business topics such as Sam's recent
>>> >> discussion about a skills inventory used in hiring people.
>>> >>
>>> >> It seems very obvious when people not familiar with this list (usually
>>> >> newbies) end up posting job offers or projects to this list without
>>> >> this concept. While I am sure people on this list might be interested
>>> >> in more work (obviously they are in the business for it), I personally
>>> >> do not like seeing them here. I guess I would like to imagine that
>>> >> this can be a bit of a sanctuary for discussion about clients/business
>>> >> without feeling like we have to always be worried about looking bad in
>>> >> front of potential clients. (you probably don't want clients knowing
>>> >> you're unsure of how to estimate a job or that your contracts might
>>> >> have holes in it, etc). I am quite conscious of this being a public
>>> >> forum and have no delusions people can find out this stuff, but I
>>> >> don't want potential clients to have more of a reason to come here and
>>> >> I would support any actions that would discourage this like job posts
>>> >> to this list. The converse of this would be if people started posting
>>> >> to this list advertising their skills/services, which I think would
>>> >> also be inappropriate.
>>> >>
>>> >> How does everyone else feel?
>>> >>
>>> >> There may be some grey areas, such as consultants looking for
>>> >> specialists in other areas. Like a themer looking for a developer, or
>>> >> a developer looking for a hoster. So, if you do want to support job
>>> >> posts, what is acceptable?
>>> >>
>>> >> This may also lead into a more detailed discussion of general
>>> >> guidelines for this list I guess, but I think this is a specific issue
>>> >> that should have a clear answer.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Ryan
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