[consulting] Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted

[Sam Cohen]

Victor,

What exactly is the problem you are trying to fix?

It seems that right now there is an enormous amount of work, enormous
opportunities, and for the most part, the pay, at least the pay potential is
really quite good.  Drupalers are in high demand.

Not sure I get it -- unless your post was tongue in cheek.

Sam

2009/3/26 Victor Kane <victorkane at gmail.com>

> Fascinating discussion.
>
> But to all you Adam Smith people, I have to say:
>
> There is no such thing as the individual small producer: there are
> factories and workers, monopolies, and wannabe monopolies, and you may think
> you are free and individual, but we are all workers in a factory, and the
> bosses are driving down wages and salaries as we speak.
>
> Our real problem is to band together and demand a minimum wage for each
> category.
>
> We need a union.
>
> Of course we have a right to publish our minimum wage! Of course we have a
> right to declare rates beneath which no-one should be accepting work.
>
> So:
>
> * All certification under control of the website application developers
> union (we can affiliate with writers, with communications, etc...)
> * No to monopoly certification programs and other attempts to create
> monopolies with the aim of driving down rates.
> * Minimum wage for each category.
> * Drupal free always as in beer and speech. Drupal development open to all.
>
> Only a uniion can do that.
>
> Otherwise we'll all be washing dishes in Soho, because it's a better paid
> job than developing websites.
>
> Consultants, unite! You have nothing to lose except your WSOD.
>
> Victor Kane
> http://awebfactory.com.ar
> http://projectflowandtracker.com
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Michael Prasuhn <mike at mikeyp.net> wrote:
>
>> I see the logical fallacy that you present here, but I think that misses
>> the most poignant part of the message you are replying to and that is:
>>
>> Publishing your rates != Agreeing to set minimum prices.
>>
>> Anyway.
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2009, at 5:12 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:
>>
>>  There is a logical fallacy in there. What you are really claiming is
>>> that rate disclosure does not directly lead to a monopoly, therefor it
>>> is either legal or somehow not as illegal as other collusive behavior.
>>> We could have a long discussion of what type of fallacy it is. I go
>>> for begging the question.
>>>
>>> Feel free to disclose your rates. On advice of counsel, I won't.
>>>
>>> Cary
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Mehboob Alam <malam at thinkx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But I'm far from convinced that its illegal to share your rates with
>>>>> your competitors,one to one or on a mailing list.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If GM, Ford, Chrysler and Toyota agree to set prices, that's "collusion"
>>>>
>>>> If JetBlue, SouthWest, Alaska and others decide to set minimum prices
>>>> for certain routes, that's "collusion"
>>>>
>>>> If several LCD manufacturers agree to fix their prices, and that ended
>>>> up costing Apple a lot of money due to the lack of competitive
>>>> bidding, that's "collusion".
>>>>
>>>> Publishing your rates here.. not so much. The clients have a choice of
>>>> thousands of possible vendors for these kinds of projects, and it
>>>> would be difficult to set minimum prices.
>>>>
>>>> And then, anyone who desperately needs the work can easily low-ball
>>>> their rates to get the project.
>>>>
>>>> So, fire away.. :)
>>>>
>>>> just my opinion..
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